I hear you Miss.V and fair play to you but I still wonder what untruths are being said about us punters. Sure we can quit and move on but some of us are die hards and will be buried with our punter phones ;)

On 2017-01-16 13:47:01 I am who I am said:
I hear you Miss.V and fair play to you but I still wonder what untruths are being said about us punters. Sure we can quit and move on but some of us are die hards and will be buried with our punter phones ;)

Lol, if it's serious and the response from various girls is overwhelming sysuch as the case with Luvstud, esa does look into it. If its a random once off thing like the guy never called to cancel twice in a row or something like that, the post has a way of fading into obscurity similarly to this forum and faded away. If I take the number down, I save it under esa no shows/esa warning or esa attacker. Each girl I'm sure has varying ideas of who she is willing to give a chance to or not. For me, i'll answer a call from esa 'no show' and give him 1 chance to prove he's not a habitual no show. if I get stood up without due notice, he goes under my 'HELL NO' listings, lol.

Same with the esa warning as well as most of us are aware that punters treat us differently.

We even see our regulars numbers there at times, yet we don't experience the same things that are reported. If a girl is blatantly lying or jealous or whatever, I can promise you, the other girls do not stand by and allow them to do it! It can even go so far as the girl getting banned if esa finds out they are lying.

If I save the number under esa attacker listing, I won't answer it at all.

We all have various ways of screening clients for varying transgressions just as you do with hot ladies that might have bad reviews But are willing to take a chance anyway. You guys have the reviews to air your complaints. We don't.

Touche xxx

On 2017-01-16 13:32:37 undercoverpta said:
Just wondering,does ESA set criteria girls need to comply with before they may post a punters' number or is it left up to the discretion of girls?

Judged on Miss V's responses It appears that girls can post the numbers of punters for reasons they deem appropriate on a forum that the punters do not have access to. The argument that punters in return can post reviews is only partially valid since girls are able to respond to a review while punters cannot offer any explanations if listed. In fact is not even aware of the listing.

In addition sometimes even the mildest form of criticism, by punters of girls on this forum, elicits responses out of proportion from girls active on the forum, as well as from some of their regulars.

Punters are also exposed to dangers like unknowingly frequenting an establishment where the use of drugs is rife, or one controlled by dangerous "managers".

On 2017-01-16 14:43:14 undercoverpta said:
On 2017-01-16 13:32:37 undercoverpta said: Just wondering,does ESA set criteria girls need to comply with before they may post a punters' number or is it left up to the discretion of girls?

Judged on Miss V's responses It appears that girls can post the numbers of punters for reasons they deem appropriate on a forum that the punters do not have access to. The argument that punters in return can post reviews is only partially valid since girls are able to respond to a review while punters cannot offer any explanations if listed. In fact is not even aware of the listing.

In addition sometimes even the mildest form of criticism, by punters of girls on this forum, elicits responses out of proportion from girls active on the forum, as well as from some of their regulars.

Punters are also exposed to dangers like unknowingly frequenting an establishment where the use of drugs is rife, or one controlled by dangerous "managers".

This doesn't affect your life as a whole though. We are not on equal footing. We cannot say on a public forum that a client did xy or z because it puts his privacy and discretion from the wgs side into question and it will make other punters question whether they are willing to risk seeing a girl that said a guy couldn't get it up then started complaining etc. We have to roll with the punches you guys dish out while we have to grin and say thank you when a negative review is posted sometimes saying things in the most hurtful disgusting manner yet we can't really say anything in fear that we'll lose income.

If a house or wg is unclean or dangerous etc, you guys have no issues with posting it here. We cannot always do so and most of the time, the guy will or could attack us physically or harm us in many other ways. The privacy of the girls forum allows us to warn each other within reason and discuss the things that make us angry etc. I think we need it much more then you do as punters.

I'm going to agree with Miss V on this point. We "punters" can say pretty much anything in the general comments and in reviews. Sometimes the ladies don't even come to see what is being said and they sit and wonder why business is declining. Sometimes what is said is true and sometimes it is questionable. I believe ESA is doing the girls a huge favor by giving them the private forum to discuss us as "punters". In this line of work the ladies need to warn each other. Put your best foot forward when on a "punt" and who knows, the lady might just mention you as a positive client and you might just get more than you bargained for on your next "punt".

Just my 2c.

Just for the record, unlike hunkyguy who started this thread, I do not experience girls ignoring my calls. Secondly I am not in the habit of posting negative reviews. Thirdly I support the existence of a girls forum for their protection for all the reasons mentioned by everybody.

In essence I am saying what is "good for the goose is good for the gander". Having recourse to report on scammers only after a punter was a victim, is not the same as knowing ahead of time that you could be entering into a potential problematic arrangement.

On 2017-01-16 15:31:39 Lovemuff said:
I'm going to agree with Miss V on this point. We "punters" can say pretty much anything in the general comments and in reviews. Sometimes the ladies don't even come to see what is being said and they sit and wonder why business is declining. Sometimes what is said is true and sometimes it is questionable. I believe ESA is doing the girls a huge favor by giving them the private forum to discuss us as "punters". In this line of work the ladies need to warn each other. Put your best foot forward when on a "punt" and who knows, the lady might just mention you as a positive client and you might just get more than you bargained for on your next "punt".

Just my 2c.

Thank you love muff...

You have no idea how many of us have been saved by serious harm on the private forum and likely how many of you have been saved wasted moola and dangerous circumstance by all you've read on this forum and the comments/review section.

The girls need the safety of the private forum and the right of explaining ourselves or defending ourselves on the public one. The only reason punters would need a private forum would be to talk trash about girls they have issues with or that they want to debase without a girl being able to respond. That would just amount to bullying with our hands tied behind our backs. Not like some don't do it via pm already.

Well Miss V let's just agree to disagree especially on the statement in your last post:

"The only reason punters would need a private forum would be to talk trash about girls they have issues with or that they want to debase without a girl being able to respond."

Like all generalisations this is grossly unfair to all punters who wish to (like girls) minimise their risks, with no intention of "trashing" or "debasing" anyone.

With respect there is no moral high ground on either side here.

This is your fun time....this is our livelihoods Undercover. If you can't understand what I'm saying...fair enough, agree to disagree. There is nothing that is hidden on this platform as far as I can see. If a girl does drugs or puts a client at risk, it's divulged publicly here all the time. Why would punters need to have privacy to talk about us? I'm sure when there are such stories you guys have a field day naming and shaming via pm. Where would you need privacy? Not like we know where you live or work in order to harass you after you've said something negative about us. Most of us live where we work and if we say anything publicly, we can get targeted and harassed. Our lives are at risk daily with punters that hurt us etc. Do you punt everyday? Is your life or safety at risk daily? I think not. There is a huge difference with regards to this and if you don't realize it, then I'm obviously not conveying myself very clearly or you just refuse to see the flip side of the coin.