Definitely no bullying here and have to agree with Sage( good on you for speaking up) what this lady did to the punter was a low blow.. and it will have a ripple effect that will affect all of us in the long run.

Guys read stuff like that and automatically will brush all SPs with the same brush.

On 2022-04-13 12:46:55 ( Aunty ) Sage said:
I think raffles and innovation from ladies are marvelous and good for ladies with solid reputations and proven track records that can pull of these with success

This is a "catch 22" situation.

Everyone is sceptical about past experiences, and how can she now change that reputation without initiatives like this. Refunding the punter alone is not enough.

Then anther point,everyone has to start somewhere, to therefor reserves such activities to a small group of ladies is not right.

I see it that all ladies should be trusted till proven otherwise.

I see it that all ladies should be trusted till proven otherwise.

A beautiful idea..but we all know that one negative happening that is made public like it has been in this case don't just affect the guilty but also makes it harder for other punters to trust other ladies .. it is just the way people are wired.

I said onces before our actions as individuals does effect others, maybe not directly but indirectly it does , whether we like to acknowledge it or not.

Just like you said on another thread we ladies should teach clients to be on time by touching them where it hurts. . Their wallets and their time deducted...maybe if it hurts enough they will change... so should we teach ladies that this behaviour ain't okay and we should touch them where it hurts *on their profiles and public image* by exposing behaviour like this and therefore their earning potential. Maybe if it hurts enough they will change.

@Miss Red,

Got no problem with your views, but just remember we all have made mistakes in the past, so lets not forget our own past when trying to nail others to the rafters.

Those "comebacks" hurt the worse

There is a time to forgive but never forget. Always be wary.

Ps

I do know ESA putting a warning on a lady's profile about content sold and paid for but not delivered in time.

I think they would do the same with the OP should the punter approached them with all the proof required.

You as ladies should not nail them to the rafters, it never comes accross well in my humble opinion. That should be done on the ladies forum out if sight of us punters.

Anyone that asks for money upfront is a scammer. I dont care what the situation is. If I am not face to face with you I will not give you any money in any form EFT, crypto or even ewallet.

Punters should be wise enough not to do it. And honestly scams like that should be considered as another form of free loading on this forum. Rewarded with a ban hammer.

On 2022-04-13 14:10:47 Boob guy said:
Anyone that asks for money upfront is a scammer. I dont care what the situation is. If I am not face to face with you I will not give you any money in any form EFT, crypto or even ewallet.

Punters should be wise enough not to do it. And honestly scams like that should be considered as another form of free loading on this forum. Rewarded with a ban hammer.

I am sorry but have to disagree.

There were a large number of ladies that offered "pay now, experience later" during the intial lock-down, who have all delivered on their promise.

Never a good thing to generalise.

Punters have to brush all the ladies with the same brush because at the end of the day, Us as punters, always have more to lose than a WG or SP. We are vulnerable to even the lady selling our information for extortion or if the punter is dumb enough vulnerable to getting exposed to our families. Us as punters dont even know your real names. Meanwhile you might have their registration number, cellphone, names and other details just from basic communications.

That's why if you are reputable you will always be in good business. But if you start behaving suspiciously and it lands on this forum consider yourself done. You are forever going to be remembered by the wrongs you committed to the community.

Sage has reputably been a reliable WG as well as Ms le Roux. This is why there is support to their logic and to what they say in the forums.

Very few people are willing to take chances on ladies with no reviews or even reputation. More often than not ends up poorly.

Today this forum has been filled with three different scam topics all started by SPs, all of which involve upfront money in exchange for bookings or raffles. Some are confirmed scams and others like this how do you expect people to trust it if you have a bad reputation

I have said it before and will say it again.

With an attitude like yours @boob guy, punting is not for you, try chess or something less risking.

Those ladies mention .... are there because they were given a change. They also started as "newbies", with no reviews or reputation. To be honest a year or 2 ago they were not the "fan favorites" they are today. It took hard and honest work to get there.

In my humble opinion, it started for them, when they joined forces not to long ago. If not mistaken this is their 2nd attempt at joining forces, the first attempt did not last that long.

On 2022-04-12 19:56:36 jasimo said:
Mmm Kim... How many tickets in the raffle? I guess I have a few here.....or is the raffle to refund me?

You might as well be there on Sunday to redeem your dodged booking and bear witness to the live draw.

Oh dear oh dear