Not sure if all of you are aware of the GBV laws, a formal complaint cannot be overturned at police level. The case must be heard at a magistrate court before bail can be obtained. There is an exception but it requires the prosecutor to strike thr case of the register which they are reluctant to do in rape allegations.
This is practice means the police are manadated to an "arrest first, ask questions at the trial"method. So any vindictive partner (not only WG) could make your life a living hell with an accusation. Further if she tests positve for a substance the police tend to suspect it was brought to her by you. Any exchange of of drugs from one person to the next is considered dealing. Regardless of the amount or( if) money was exchanged. This means your case, reads, "Accused is charged with rape and dealing." "In this case bail is zero as rape and sunstances are involved, insinuating to the magistrate that you date-raped her. Due to GBV laws magistrates are unlikely to lean toward allowing the case to be struck off the register. That means it will be mandatort to go to court (someday)
Now in a fake claim you will likely be acquitted in at your case, when you have your day in court as the burden for the state to prove is high. But to get bail even in a he said she said case such as this you need a very proactice lawyer availble at all hours. This is normally expentive (R2,500 ph +) if you have them on retainer. Otherwise its higher and you might not have an easy time getting hold of them.
The thing is, bail still means you are still in jail for up 48hr. A sunstance involved means you are an awaiting trial prisoner. Period.
If you are given bail you are still sitting with about 10-15 hours of legal work and reprensation. So an average vindictice he said she said case could cost you upward of R30k. If you dont get bail (for a substance, for example) - it will be higher.
My question is, have any of you been in such a situation, and how did it play out?
Edited: 2026-05-03 08:58:15
This chat should not be here. Take it to the GM forum.
Each person from police to prosecutor to magistrate are in general fearful to release anything that looks like an offender, even one that is plainly false, favoring the "let's just look and see at trial" approach.
On 2026-05-03 07:18:48 DukPiel said:
This is why some of them dissappear we should all play nice
And in many cases its the "pay me Rx and i will withdraw," but there is also the case of her passing out. In that case the cops are in whether you want them to be or not and you in the system even before you say your name.
A 20 year old dude hooked up with a 20 year old girl at a party, both hammered. The dude had already been in the police cells for a few days accused of rape, in court trying to get bail and avoid being sent to the big house awaiting trial section (which is the same as the normal prison).
This young guy was very lucky to have a compassionate magistrate who saw his fear and weakness. The mag went out of his way to find a way to get this guy bail. He could see what was going on. After calling the detective to the stand and telling him what questions to go and ask some witnesses by phone then and there, it kind of became clear that she was in trouble with her boyfriend so had to accuse this guy of rape. That's what her friend said, and the evidence of kissing all night at the party was in his favour.
The mag granted him bail saying rape has many forms so he is not excusing him but he won't keep him locked up due to the schedule 6 guidelines as there is a plausible defence.
Most magistrates won't go to that trouble and will just rule according to the schedule 6 guidelines that they have to adhere to. Send a guy to Sun City for years as the legal process plays out. 2 years, 4 years more?
1) Use a burner phone.
2) Never do 3sums as there will be a witness.
3) Make sure the girl works alone.
4) Wear a face mask and a cap when you enter.
5) Never allow pictures to be taken.
Fucksakes, between this thread and the HIV tests one I should just give up punting all together.
This is beginning to sound like a conspiracy!
On 2026-05-03 11:35:29 danny_dd said:
So to avoid this:
1) Use a burner phone.
2) Never do 3sums as there will be a witness.
3) Make sure the girl works alone.
4) Wear a face mask and a cap when you enter.
5) Never allow pictures to be taken.
Fucksakes, between this thread and the HIV tests one I should just give up punting all together.
This is beginning to sound like a conspiracy!
You miss the point bro. Schedule 6 demolishes it all. Threesome would be better than not. At least your 20k a day lawyer would be able to argue bail better with conflicting statements than just you and her alone. Oh and 20k is minimum because by becoming an awaiting trial prisoner, your incarceration is so long in a max security prison, it is impossible effectively long term jail time. A good criminal attorney/advocate is what you will need to avoid it.
These fake police scammers are not hoping for guys ignorant of the laws on the books, they get paid by guys who are aware. A schedule 6 offense ACCUSATION these days in our lazy courts is possibly a constitutional violation. Can take it up with an appeals court later when you sue the police and justice ministers. There are plenty of people getting millions for spending years in prison where they are let go when the case is withdrawn. Procedural errors in hindsight are common. But yeah, that's after the horrors of a long time in max security prison, where every few months you travel to court from prison to have the case postponed.
Don't use your own phone with your details on, but reconsider using a punting sim. Won't be able to use it as evidence for it having been a transaction (which by the way is unenforced law). There are no WGs and punters being charged for transactions. So rather use a sim that is attached to your details. They have your license plate so it's useless you uber.
Keeping evidence of transaction is the safest.
On 2026-05-03 12:13:52 MickyGH said:
On 2026-05-03 11:35:29 danny_dd said: So to avoid this:
1) Use a burner phone.
2) Never do 3sums as there will be a witness.
3) Make sure the girl works alone.
4) Wear a face mask and a cap when you enter.
5) Never allow pictures to be taken.
Fucksakes, between this thread and the HIV tests one I should just give up punting all together.
This is beginning to sound like a conspiracy!
You miss the point bro. Schedule 6 demolishes it all. Threesome would be better than not. At least your 20k a day lawyer would be able to argue bail better with conflicting statements than just you and her alone. Oh and 20k is minimum because by becoming an awaiting trial prisoner, your incarceration is so long in a max security prison, it is impossible effectively long term jail time. A good criminal attorney/advocate is what you will need to avoid it.
These fake police scammers are not hoping for guys ignorant of the laws on the books, they get paid by guys who are aware. A schedule 6 offense ACCUSATION these days in our lazy courts is possibly a constitutional violation. Can take it up with an appeals court later when you sue the police and justice ministers. There are plenty of people getting millions for spending years in prison where they are let go when the case is withdrawn. Procedural errors in hindsight are common. But yeah, that's after the horrors of a long time in max security prison, where every few months you travel to court from prison to have the case postponed.
Don't use your own phone with your details on, but reconsider using a punting sim. Won't be able to use it as evidence for it having been a transaction (which by the way is unenforced law). There are no WGs and punters being charged for transactions. So rather use a sim that is attached to your details. They have your license plate so it's useless you uber.
Keeping evidence of transaction is the safest.
I have heard the same.
Courts don't take schedule 6 offences lightly and a small discrepancy can have you locked up longer than you think.
Putting it out there, I read that CCTV footage showing a mutual arrival and a friendly departure are big in weight.
Also I read in a legal article right that a selfie taken at the end of the booking showing two smiling faces often makes it harder to show that a violent crime took place.
If such a victim walks past witnesses at reception or greets the security guard - why did she not ask for help if she was traumatised?
Bear in mind even when holding all the cards, such a the above evidence, you still the one at the station at 1am having to make a statement.
There is something called "reasonable suspicion" which is the threshold for a policeman to arrest you. That is not "reasonable double" or "beyond reasonable doubt" . It is simply the amount of evidence that makes an experienced police officer tilt his head and say "that looks interesting". That level of suspicion in GBV cases is legislated to be so small that it is in practice allowed to be arrested on a statement .
As far a the system goes the precedent seems to be:
"no one presumes you guilty, no one says don't defend yourself, sue us if you need to, but we are not taking a chance letting this one go"
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