I understand that most of the time there will be a receptionist that responds to calls and messages that handles bookings and times but at the same time I think it creates this sort of uncertainty between the client and the SP. I mean if you're the receptionist, I expect you to tell me about her and her prices, her extras and everything I need to know, that way everything is more clear between both parties and I/the client can make an even more informed decision.
There are a number of women I'd love to pay a visit to, especially at venues but haven't gone due to this reason, Sensual Spa, Bella Spa, Le Belle, Benjamins are just a few on the top of my head that I can think of that has/had some beautiful women but as soon as I'm told I need to speak to the lady in private I always get put off as I've seen a few guys tell their story about how they went all the way to a venue , spoke to the lady in private and had to pay a R200 cancellation fee as the lady didn't offer a service that the clients thought she did.
Maybe it's just me but this in itself feels like a scam. Instead of putting "NO FH/NO ORAL" like other WG's/SP's or whatever other service they don't offer in their profile to let clients know that the service isn't offered, it feels as if the client is being purposely mislead into paying a visit only to pay the cancellation fee.
I feel like this can create animosity between not only existing punters but especially new punters with service providers. Why do I need to pay a cancellation fee just for you to tell me you don't offer the service when you could have just saved us both the time and effort by doing so over the phone?
Now you've cost a client money for a cancellation fee, money for petrol or an uber, will most likely have a bad review written on your profile which effects you especially if you don't have an established client base and to top it all off, a sour taste in the clients mouth putting more people off of punting which inevitably makes it harder for not only you but the rest of your fellow WG'S/SP's as a client might never want to punt again all because of your experience.
I say that because I speak from experience as my first punt was really not what I wanted it to be and ended up regretting it so much at the time I never wanted to punt again in fear that what happened might happened again, luckily there was one girl who gave me hope for this site and here I am, but I fear not every man may have the same hope I once had for these ladies and may never return after a bad experience.
If you're an WG/SP and you're reading this please shed some light on this matter. Maybe there is a real reason as to why ladies do this.
JO
I understand your point that you've set out above and understand your and other clients frustrations. Perhaps I can shed some light.
It is absolutely impossible to give detailed lists of each lady's extras and do's and don't as a receptionist at a venue.
No matter how well we know the lady, intimacy is far too detailed to give a yes/no and price.
For example:
Does the lady kiss?
Yes but not if you smoke, have bad breath or half swallow her face and drown her in spit. Far easier to say, speak to the lady in the room. She can try reciprocate a kiss and if she feels too uncomfortable, she can say no.
Does a lady offer full house?
We can't say yes she will or no she won't because we don't know if you expect her on top (which some ladies don't do), an uncomfortable position, maybe you are too big (hurts), too small (condom slips off or can't get hip movements right for traction). Maybe you expect FH for the entire session, maybe you have genital warts, maybe you smell, maybe too rough. It's never as easy as 'yes, here is the price'.
Does a lady do oral?
Are you clean, only if circumcised, some equate oral with face f###ing, their jaw cramps, they can't handle the smell (smeared poop on the bum when a client hasn't washed properly is a common complaint) and the lady is expected to blow within centimetres from that.
Does she allow muffing?
Are you rough, do you make terrible slobbering noises that she can't stand, does muffing make her genuinely orgasm and she hates losing control? Has she shaved, is it her time of the month etc.
It's why some clients get certain perks from girls and some don't. It really all comes down to several factors that the ladies cannot decide on WhatsApp, the phone or PM but can only be decided when in the room, hence why we say speak to the lady in the room.
Massuesses choose to be massuesses to have a choice of who they give extras to, who they can be more open or discerning with. It ultimately comes down to the ladies choice and what you are willing to pay for it.
It's very hard to be a service provider and say 'no' to a client in a way that won't hurt his feelings. Girls can either say no, or offer a price that compensates them for a service they wouldn't want to do otherwise.
Le Belle offers a full body massage, body to body and hand relief. We tell each and every girl to give to the best of their ability in that regard. Anything on top of that is between you and the lady.
Imagine this scenario:
You speak to a girl on the phone and ask what her extra price is. She tells you, you get the cash and arrive. She spends 5 minutes with you and says she doesn't want to do the extra. That's going to cause an issue. Where if you go in, expecting at least a good time with hand relief and possibility of an extra, you don't feel so bad if she turns down your request for an extra, because there was no expectation of it in the beginning.
We're quite a busy venue, thanks to you wonderful gents and our ladies appreciate your patronage. However not every lady does extras and what's considered an extra varies from person to person.
We also started Le Belle as a venue for girls to have a choice. They don't have to feel pressured to offer anything because of something discussed on the phone. Or put in an awkward position when they don't want to give a client what he wants.
We say speak to the lady in the room because it gives the lady a choice.
If you want what we offer, we welcome you and if the stars aline, we have card facilities. If you don't want to be disappointed, there are so many ladies who offer amazing treatments and services with a dedicated price list and we encourage you to support them.
Regarding cancellation fees, we can't comment on that as we only promote massage on the phone so no need to have a cancellation fee over an extra misunderstanding. Client comes for a massage and hand relief, so we would be very suprised if he wanted to cancel the session because he didn't get an extra.
XoXo
We field so many nonsense calls and messages daily from potential clients that think they are speaking to the lady privately, its understandable why ladies prefer reception to handle it.
You might say that then ladies are losing potential clients/tips but that's their business model and if their bills are paid and they are comfortable, so be it.
We do offer ladies to have their own numbers on their Le Belle ads as well, very few take us up on it.
XoXo
On 2023-01-23 19:12:05 Nicci said:
Come to Pablo's in midrand tomorrow night after 7pm. I'll show you the best extras...
It's gonna take more than that to pull me away from my regular SP's lol;)
On 2023-01-23 19:49:27 Le Belle said:
Hello!
I understand your point that you've set out above and understand your and other clients frustrations. Perhaps I can shed some light.
It is absolutely impossible to give detailed lists of each lady's extras and do's and don't as a receptionist at a venue.
No matter how well we know the lady, intimacy is far too detailed to give a yes/no and price.
For example:
Does the lady kiss?
Yes but not if you smoke, have bad breath or half swallow her face and drown her in spit. Far easier to say, speak to the lady in the room. She can try reciprocate a kiss and if she feels too uncomfortable, she can say no.
Does a lady offer full house?
We can't say yes she will or no she won't because we don't know if you expect her on top (which some ladies don't do), an uncomfortable position, maybe you are too big (hurts), too small (condom slips off or can't get hip movements right for traction). Maybe you expect FH for the entire session, maybe you have genital warts, maybe you smell, maybe too rough. It's never as easy as 'yes, here is the price'.
Does a lady do oral?
Are you clean, only if circumcised, some equate oral with face f###ing, their jaw cramps, they can't handle the smell (smeared poop on the bum when a client hasn't washed properly is a common complaint) and the lady is expected to blow within centimetres from that.
Does she allow muffing?
Are you rough, do you make terrible slobbering noises that she can't stand, does muffing make her genuinely orgasm and she hates losing control? Has she shaved, is it her time of the month etc.
It's why some clients get certain perks from girls and some don't. It really all comes down to several factors that the ladies cannot decide on WhatsApp, the phone or PM but can only be decided when in the room, hence why we say speak to the lady in the room.
Massuesses choose to be massuesses to have a choice of who they give extras to, who they can be more open or discerning with. It ultimately comes down to the ladies choice and what you are willing to pay for it.
It's very hard to be a service provider and say 'no' to a client in a way that won't hurt his feelings. Girls can either say no, or offer a price that compensates them for a service they wouldn't want to do otherwise.
Le Belle offers a full body massage, body to body and hand relief. We tell each and every girl to give to the best of their ability in that regard. Anything on top of that is between you and the lady.
Imagine this scenario:
You speak to a girl on the phone and ask what her extra price is. She tells you, you get the cash and arrive. She spends 5 minutes with you and says she doesn't want to do the extra. That's going to cause an issue. Where if you go in, expecting at least a good time with hand relief and possibility of an extra, you don't feel so bad if she turns down your request for an extra, because there was no expectation of it in the beginning.
We're quite a busy venue, thanks to you wonderful gents and our ladies appreciate your patronage. However not every lady does extras and what's considered an extra varies from person to person.
We also started Le Belle as a venue for girls to have a choice. They don't have to feel pressured to offer anything because of something discussed on the phone. Or put in an awkward position when they don't want to give a client what he wants.
We say speak to the lady in the room because it gives the lady a choice.
If you want what we offer, we welcome you and if the stars aline, we have card facilities. If you don't want to be disappointed, there are so many ladies who offer amazing treatments and services with a dedicated price list and we encourage you to support them.
Regarding cancellation fees, we can't comment on that as we only promote massage on the phone so no need to have a cancellation fee over an extra misunderstanding. Client comes for a massage and hand relief, so we would be very suprised if he wanted to cancel the session because he didn't get an extra.
XoXo
I personally view intimacy as a state of being between two people who are knowing and being known by each other on a deeper level that not even I have knowledge to put into words(not just sex/sexual acts), therefore personally I'd say to have the idea that a service provider provides intimacy would be incorrect, I mean we don't even know each others real names, so how do you expect intimacy from a client when the first thing we do to each other is lie about who we really are?
The reality is that Service Providers are exactly that, people who provide a service and once that service has been delivered, out the door I go about my life and I assume onto the next client for the SP. I don't believe in intimacy between an SP and a client because at the end of the day, I'm still paying to be there and that makes it transactional.
Now as for services, kissing, FH, oral, anal or whatever else floats your boat, I believe a better system can be created to allow this grey area of "speak to the lady in private" to be a little less frustrating for the client and service provider. Plenty of girls who don't work at venues but rather from their own private apartments/homes make it rather easier and less of a hassle for clients to book them whilst also allowing the client to understand what it is they're getting into. My theory is that if an SP speaks to the client directly over a call a set price can be determined, that way it doesn't feel like my pay as you go phone contract.
Not only set a price but it will also give the opportunity for SP's to mention their do's and don'ts for the client and if the client is unhappy that a specific service isn't provided, that should serve as a win for both parties as the clients won't have to sit through service he/she never wanted to begin with and the service provider won't have to deal with unavailable yet present clients. (keep in mind that even in this case the SP wins because she/he is getting paid to provide a service even if they don't like it whereas the client gets fucked, no pun indented)
Although the only time I agree with the notion on "speak in private" is when it comes to cleanliness, I've been in the gents bathroom enough to know a lot of gents don't take good care of themselves so I don't even want to imagine what it looks like down there for some guys and for a service providers to accept that shouldn't be normal, but yet again personally I feel it would be best for a client to be told no and the reason. If SP's actually spoke to their clients over the phone and told them that they would be screened and that would determine whether extra's would be available for them, I will fully understand, even though it hurts somebodies precious feelings, it gives them the opportunity to build character and focus on improving in that area of themselves and to be honest I'd rather know that I got a problem and go fix it and come back better instead of finding out I have a problem and sobbing about it.
I do believe a list can be made of services that SP's provide, it has been done before, even Red Velvet gives a list of sorts that shows some of the things SP's do for clients, it really isn't rock at science and to be honest how many things can you really offer to not be able to put it on a list, even OnlyFans girls have lists of the variety of content they create.
I guess to end off this, my point is, you don't go to a restaurant asking for secret menus, everything is laid out for you and you choose what you'd like to have, if the chef can cook, the chef can cook. As jy lekker braai ons kan ma trou.
As for those cancellation fees, yeah don't act like y'all know what you doing.
Jason Oliver
In general if it's unclear, give it a hard pass. I only book if I'm able to clarify and confirm what I am getting what I want at a price I'm willing to pay.
Anything involving "discuss in the room" is just a surefire way to
1. get you to pay more than you would have booking with a clear non-blood filled little head or
2. for you to get told that services you wanted are now withdrawn or not on offer.
Remember, this is not dating where you try and take what you can get.
This is a transaction where you pay for what you want. Without the clarity upfront, it's like booking breakfast and the seller can decide after the booking whether you get Kellogg's, Bokomo, yoghurt, or a full on English breakfast and also to charge you whatever they feel after you sit down to eat.
N4P
Edited: 2023-01-24 10:56:50
The other day I posted a similar dilemma, it's weird how it's portrayed that the whatsapp medium can be more trusted than the ESA PM,actually leaves more questions than anything else
If I can't get a meaningful indication of potential dos+donts when communicating directly with the girl then I'll usually pass
An example from a past chat where I try to get more detail from a "...in the room" girl:
"Would you be comfortable with letting me know which additions may be on offer, with me knowing full well that it's at your discretion and not necessarily available to any/everyone?
Just gonna give me a better idea of what to expect, including most importantly budget wise"
I think this is a reasonable question that should get a reasonable response. Expecting me to go all the way there only to find out that your interpretation of "FH" is just "penis in vagina" - and nothing else (I've had these bookings and they are fucking awful!) - is way more disappointing than just setting the boundaries and expectations openly upfront.
On 2023-01-24 10:54:58 kelv87 said:
Le Belle's responses make a lot of sense. I also prefer upfront and clear communication, preferably directly with the girl - I'll only visit "extras will be discussed in the room" venues if I'm genuinely prepared to just do a massage only booking. More often than not I won't even be tempted for extras in those bookings anyway, just because I've already gone in with a focus on a sensual and nothing else.
If I can't get a meaningful indication of potential dos+donts when communicating directly with the girl then I'll usually pass
An example from a past chat where I try to get more detail from a "...in the room" girl:
"Would you be comfortable with letting me know which additions may be on offer, with me knowing full well that it's at your discretion and not necessarily available to any/everyone?
Just gonna give me a better idea of what to expect, including most importantly budget wise"
I think this is a reasonable question that should get a reasonable response. Expecting me to go all the way there only to find out that your interpretation of "FH" is just "penis in vagina" - and nothing else (I've had these bookings and they are fucking awful!) - is way more disappointing than just setting the boundaries and expectations openly upfront.
Same WhatsApp group you and I, awful isn't even the word, it feels like I'm in a mortuary, everything about it feels dead. Could've really saved the time and effort by just sending a message saying what's what, but unfortunately like I said, even in these scenarios the SP wins and the client gets fucked as the SP still gets paid. Sounds like a good way to miss the opportunity to grow their client bases even further by just being clear and upfront, I really don't get why it's that hard.
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