This forum is becoming a bit ridiculous now... Just fake accounts attacking each other and promoting themselves. What a joke!

I have been punting for more than 20 years. My thought is B2B and sensual massage prices should be between R500-R700. Ladies should be charging for full house between R800 and R1200, anal should be an extra cost. The prices I have heard recently are ridiculous.

On 2023-03-14 12:58:26 Sabrina said:
There's so much hilarity in the above. Where do I start?

You need to take it up with the other punters? Because you think you can somehow take over the market, and turn this into a communistic industry? The whole beauty of it for me is that I get to capitalise, and nobody can take that away from me. Not even every last game- less keyboard warrior on this site, all combined into an army of male Karens, would succeed.
Don't make me laugh so early in the morning.

And remember, friends. HER BODY, HER RULES, HER CHOICE. Who are you to even think you should have any say over what a woman charges? Just because you'd still be a virgin, were it not for us? You will never own us in any way. We are not going to be forced into a corner. Sorry, n

Lol okay quite a spicy clap back here and i understand why you'd retaliate like that. don't think most here would disagree with the crux of your post. I'll challenge you a little though when it comes to just how capitalistic and free market this industry really is...me tinks it's a little selectively laissez faire. can think of a few examples but will focus on one:

good counterexample is what happened during Covid. Those early months of lockdown were havoc - punters and SPs alike were forced to stay home, venues closed, hotels closed, bloody borders closed, and sneaking out for a punt wasn't an option for almost everyone.

Punters still chose to support WGs even though we couldn't see them, and this is how "online content" became what it is today. It was a charitable effort that was promoted every day of early lockdown by punters here. To this day you'll still see the word "support" being used whenever online content is mentioned (even though physical bookings are "support" too). Don't forget about the retrenchments, paycuts, no increases, and whole industries that suffered from restrictions...so times weren't necessarily smooth for punters either

Punters obvs had access to tons of free porn but there was still a collective push to pay what amounted to physical booking rates...for...(understandably) very low quality content.

Plus it's not like there was any chance of a booking happening soon. So that "but it's a girl you could sleep with" justification didn't hold a lot as much weight. punters got some low quality boob n vagene, most of it was viewed once (that was the case with me at least). that same R500-R1000 per package could have made for some memorable bookings!

It even got to the point where some WGs were taking advantage of the charity by scamming punters. taking payment without sending content. Instead of calling it quits, "supporters" doubled-down on the initiative, and the consensus was to still persevere and "support" the girls
www.esa.co.za/forum/thread.php

Isn't this a good example of the "industry" behaving in a "communistic" way? What do you think of this? Do you approve of this or not?

Worth noting that this was something unique to this place, because of its active community, administration, and features. Something like this couldn't have happened (and didn't happen) at similar scale or impact on local competitor sites. So yes, this same forum that punters are using now to voice financial distress and dissatisfaction with trends in rates - is the same one that they used to help WGs when they used this forum to voice distress over an unexpectedly tough time.

After all that, things are back to normal with no lockdowns and restrictions, and not only are median rates where they are now, but content is STILL around...and that too is even more expensive in some instances lol :D

This is what it looks like to me:
When times are tough for wgs - punters here have some proven history of collectively doing something about it and urging one another to join in, even when it's clearly not in their rational capitalist self-interest

When times are tough for punters - wgs seem to suddenly remember a bunch of rules, maxims, and business principles..........rules, maxims, and business principles that curiously disappear WHEN...........[drumroll]...times are tough for wgs ;)

On 2023-03-19 01:41:02 kelv87 said:


Isn't this a good example of the "industry" behaving in a "communistic" way? What do you think of this? Do you approve of this or not?

Dude you're embarrassing yourself. Collective action is not in and of itself "communistic", as long as the individuals are acting out of their own volition.

The defining feature of communism is that the means of production are collectively owned (more loosely there's no right to private property). Charitable giving is not communistic because even though people might be acting in a collective manner, individuals are still deciding what to do with their own privately owned property (i.e. money). (If you were *forced* to buy content that would be different, but I'm not aware of that having happened...)

So no, this is not a good example of the industry behaving in a communistic way.

On 2023-03-17 10:36:40 Petite Maya said:
On 2023-03-16 17:22:28 Graham12342014 said: On
Huh... But you quoted me R4200 for an hour massage outcall? :o



Yes I know i did @ Graham


@amber i dont do overnight, my rate quoted was for the hour. I did an overnight once with a regular, at the Westin and he snores like a pig! I couldn't even sleep so i actually went home at 3am. So i will never do sleep overs again! My sleep is more important than money, fuck that!

@ graham Not sure who you were but that's correct sir. I wouldn't charge that amounts if I wasn't getting it. To be honest that's still a low price i got 8k the other night. But the thing is im not out here promoting it or begging people to book me for that price. That's the difference. I understand money is tight everywhere. im not promoting it, if it's not for you just move onto someone else but there's no threads after threads been opened about it. I cater for a different service, NOT FH. Im there just to look good on your arms at art galleries and wine farm, traveling, touring and passport ready etc im not for the ones that want a huffing and puffing session of FH. Im sessions are more for relaxing and chill vibes. So anyone that's interested in my services now you know. Who knows a FH might just be rewarded naturally, hmm maybe or maybe not, you never know.

I think I'm now in love with this girl :)