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Posted: 2024-11-28 16:34:34

This forum has always been a space I've respected for its community-driven approach and the trust we place in one another in the over 10 years that I've been involved in it. It's where punters and SPs come together to foster meaningful interactions. That trust is what makes this platform valuable, which is why I feel compelled to speak up about something deeply troubling that affects us all.

About a year ago, I discovered evidence that a particular SP might be involved in activities that compromise safety on this platform. Due to suspicious behaviour, I got a SIM card to contact this SP, and no one else, after a few days I was contacted by a cop scammer. I knew this wasn't a coincidence, so I reached out to ESA support privately to share what I had found and ask for an investigation. I even followed up with information from another punter who had contacted only two SPs with one of them being the same as the above and was then contacted by the "same cop" but my messages were ignored.

The SP (Patty): www.esa.co.za/escorts/viewEscort.php

When it became clear that nothing would be done, I posted about it publicly. Others joined the conversation, sharing similar concerns about the same SP, making it clear this was not an isolated issue.

Almost a year to the date, I posted a topic asking what it would take for ESA to ban scammers. Instead of addressing the problem, my account was banned, and I was accused of being someone I am not (Stiffyrichard). For context, I am not located in the Western Cape, where Stiffy seems to reside based on his reviews, and I have no connection to him.

I welcome the moderators to substantiate this claim with the evidence they used to arrive at this conclusion or acknowledge that this was an error. Silencing users who raise valid concerns by banning them and making unfounded accusations does not serve the community; it undermines it.

Interestingly, after I emailed the moderators to ask about the ban and reiterate my concerns, I noticed that their post referencing my ban was edited about 5 minutes afterward, removing any mention of the ban. Despite this, even this email was ignored, and my account was not just banned (because I could still log in) but deleted entirely (I can't even reset my password on it). It's hard to understand why this level of erasure would be necessary unless there was a deeper issue at hand.

The moderators' initial response to the "banning post" was particularly revealing. When I first raised the issue, I was told that "buyers posting on their profile a year ago to 'avoid avoid' is not evidence of anything" and that "there is no evidence this advertiser is a scammer." I was accused of having a "personal vendetta" and told that the forum's time is "best spent listing new advertisers" rather than "chasing alleged scammers." To be clear, this SP has zero reviews because they never answer calls, making it impossible to book them, let alone leave a review, which was the behaviour that first made me suspicious. Since the rules say you can't post a review without seeing the SP, this makes it impossible to document issues on profiles, as a non gold-member, with an SP who operates like this, creating a system where concerns like this are left unaddressed by design when coupled with ESA also ignoring you.

This isn't the first time concerns like this have been raised. In fact, there is precedent with, at least one, similar case leading to swift action and the banning of the SP. Why was this case treated differently? Why has this SP remained active for over a year despite multiple complaints and red flags?

It's hard not to question whether there is more to this than meets the eye. Is this SP receiving protection? Are there relationships or incentives influencing the decision to ignore these complaints? I don't want to jump to conclusions, but the inconsistency and defensiveness here are troubling.

This is not just about me though, I'm done with all of this. It's about the integrity of the forum and its ability to protect its members. Punters deserve to feel safe. Honest SPs, who rely on this platform to build trust with their clients, should not have their reputations tarnished by association with scammers. And as a community, we deserve fairness, accountability, and consistency.

If others have experienced similar issues, whether it's scams, ignored reports, or unfair treatment, I encourage you to share your story. A strong community is built on trust and accountability, and that starts with us.

For reference, here is an example of the similar case where the forum acted quickly to ban an SP with less evidence seemingly provided. www.esa.co.za/forum/thread.php.

This shows what's possible when these issues are handled properly, and I hope we can return to that standard.

If you got this far, thank you for reading.

Other important threads:
1. Where my suspicion first started: www.esa.co.za/forum/thread.php

2. Where I further gathered my evidence
www.esa.co.za/forum/thread.php

3. Where I first came out to the public with my findings after ESA ignored me.
www.esa.co.za/forum/thread.php

4. Where I got banned and accused of being someone else:
www.esa.co.za/forum/thread.php

You decide.

Sincerely,
Formerly DickRich2
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Posted: 2024-11-28 18:57:45

Great post and hope there are guys ouot there that backs all this up. I hate it when this happens to clients. Makes it bad for everyone. Yes was great forum quite a few years ago. Now its quite sad what goes on for tarts like this trying to make few rands and they dont even get paid by these arseholes who demand numbers of punters. STUPID SILLY GIRLS.
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Posted: 2024-11-28 20:29:22

Who is the person who posted this post cause he post links for referance but i dont know which punter it is on the referances
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Posted: 2024-11-28 20:55:37

He literally signed his post as DickRich2. So that's who he is or was
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Posted: 2024-11-28 23:02:29

Haha my bad. I just didnt feel like reading through all that cause its always the same story over and over. I just clicked on the links
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Posted: 2024-11-29 07:05:46
Edited: 2024-11-29 07:06:29

It is good to be warned against those that impede on a happy prosperous relationship between punter and Advertiser and a sad day it would be if NO investigation is done when concerns are brought up.

To shoot the "whistleblower" ...why?

Who knows....as they say where there is smoke there could be a fire and may save MANY, that initial reaction of unnecessary concern even if one knows one has done NOTHING wrong and it is a scam

Nobody likes to be a target of such criminality.

RB.
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Posted: 2024-11-29 07:26:58

On 2024-11-29 07:05:46 Russian Bridgitte said:
It is good to be warned ...

To shoot the "whistleblower" ...why?

...

Nobody likes to be a target of such criminality.

RB.



True what you say RB. Reasonable evidence does need to be brought to act on and there has been lots of smoke around the SP for some time. Can't fault DickRich2 for leaving as he feels he has genuinely been scammed with sufficient evidence (I guess that is for the admin to decide tho)

One can't also just 'Cry wolf' on an SP without the reasonable proof as this understandably this is after all an advertising platform for the SP's and they also need to be protected from false accusations and ESA does get their income mostly from the advertisers ond a smaller percentage from gold members.

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Posted: 2024-11-29 07:55:21

100% Plankman

SP's are definitely a soft target of hidden agendas and malice.

Ask me about it.

As I said...investigation required on claims made as in ANY criminal claim made.

Frustration can lead to vigilante behaviour neither good for accuser or accused.

I, myself have had numerous calls accused of theft , offerings of cash to tell on a supposed rapists who I was lucky to have not been a victim of...they tryna catch the guy/s, and and and....

It is sickening.

A very good punter acquaintance who is neither a stupid man nor a naive one is fighting to keep his marriage.

Why?

Because the call he received was in the presence of his wife.

Yes.

Maybe stupid he did not have a punter phone but, how vile of the SP's to put ALL of us in a position such.

SP's not trusted.
Punters wary.

RB.
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Posted: 2024-11-29 08:44:11

Wow this is the first decent thread I've come across in a long time.

To the OP I haven't posted much in a while and yes I rejoiced to the whip coming down. If you follow the forum you know that I took was wronged by a certain bunch of disgruntled punters because I set boundaries and obviously when people don't like people establishing boundaries they become a bit faulty. So I feel your pain and as RB has said this leads to vigilante behaviour this group of punters then became a pack of rabid dogs going after me and telling people who can't think for them selves not too book me even when people said I gave a good treatmemt would they say they didn't give a fuck I had a bad attitude and anyone who as shared space and had conversations with me (believe me their are plenty here) can honestly vouche for me and tell you that that is the furthest thing from the truth. They also claimed that I was sircumsized to further discredit my name luckily ESA could clarify that it actually was a punter and not a girl as did many other ladies on ESA. Neither of the guys where decent enough to admit their wrong doing or apologized for doing so. I have come to accept that it will never happen because well if they where decent they would have done so out of their own so it speaks volumes. Also I have excepted that those who are meant for me will always be. My clients pay my asking fee and they return, they tip and they bring gifts they are the ones who deserve my energy and my goodness so I started focusing my energy in just that and I started doing less and less of the forum.

I don't have time for people with malice or hidden agendas and uncalled for drama and bullshit because my peace and joy is more important too me just like the guys who pay top dollar to share space with me.

What I have learnt is that this world needs balance and the only thing the shit is good for us personal growth learn the lesson change it if you can if you can't what the fuck let it be but don't let it affect you or consume you this you do for yourself not for those in the wrong.
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Posted: 2024-11-29 08:47:41

On 2024-11-29 07:55:21 Russian Bridgitte said:


SP's not trusted.
Punters wary.

RB.



True, I would like to add that Sp's are also weary and punters are also not trusted. If they were ladies wouldn't be asking for deposits.

This is what it has become

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