When you come back to a thread and thermo-nuclear war broke out in the mean time.

Fact remains, you contract for a service which is known beforehand. Some people on the supply side play coy with off-menu items so there is a demand side due diligence check for said items.

Supply should be clear, demand should accept the absence of off-menu items when so informed.

On 2021-05-12 10:47:33 Kooni said:
On 2021-05-12 10:38:09 Cassanata said: On 2021-05-11 22:03:00 Stguy007 said: Eish it's sad that in this day and time guys are so jaxed, if the add says massage then why book expecting more....

Because a lot of fh ladies market themselves as mg.

Thats true, but very few if any of those will explicitly say " No FH or oral" on their profile description.

You have no idea how many mgs I didn't book at venues because they said that and then they approached me asking why I never book them. When I say it's because they're massage and I dont want massage, hence I book XXX, they're like a also provide what XXX does and most often they charge less to "steal" the business from XXX and coincidentally end end better quite often.

On 2021-05-12 10:59:47 Shakira said:
So basically wot some of you morons are saying is bcz SA is full of criminal activity and murderers we shouldn't be too upset bcz it just how it is. Like i say let i happen to one of your daughters then come back to me then we can talk; otherwise keep quiet rather. Some of you guys are probably guilty of doing this deed thats why defending yourselves.

I have stated there are much more beautiful ladies that openly advertise and do it so rather go there.

From my side it freaks me out, knowing you not my bf and probably have eaten someone else's ass and pussy now you want mine or to kiss me with that. Its not for me; viruses and diseases are a real thing. there's plenty girls that love wot they do nd that would enjoy you. Don't waste your time with me bcz i really not going to change my mind about my boundaries. So please respect me nd my boundaries. Dont be rude and forceful please

Firstly a daughter or relative won't be advertising here if they only did Massage and if they did and complained that people asked for sex, I'd laugh at them too and tell them not to expect prince charming while fishing in the chum bucket and complain when she catches toads.

On 2021-05-12 12:00:16 Shakira said:
Shame im very sure you failed your English comprehension tests, bcz nowhere did it say or imply anyone has a sickness. All i said its a real thing out there. Which is the truth, it is a real thing. Goodbye have a nice day and stop being a poes

"Out there" lol. Yeah, sure, "out there" can't possibly mean "here" of course. Whatever.

You did skip everything else in that post about not acknowledging advice from those much much more experienced than you, nor did you state how/if you'll apply it. And yet you can respond to everything else consistently - I'm getting the sense you didn't even take that advice seriously?

As for me "being a poes" - the name calling has been coming from the other side (yourself, Jake, Big Mac). I don't think I've called any of you any names, so maybe take a deeper look in the mirror?

Mirror always tells me how hot i am: i mean, I must be sexy as fuck for guys to pay me to massage and wank them. ;-) and making a killing too, otherwise id be broke and wouldn't be successful on this platform . Guys that have met me can vouch i am good at wot i do and a great person to be around and most of them are really sweet,
So big up to you guys nd thanks for being sweet and supportive

Shakira, you do know after all this dialogue, the guys are going to want to press you now more than ever.
If it was a marketing strategy, I think your diary is going to be fully booked.

I wonder if this is the attitude I will get from ladies when visiting Cape Town and decide to punt there, and I wonder if @shakira's service is as good as she claims I've picked up a lot of red flags from her responses and comments, unfortunately I'm not a massage guy and wouldn't pay someone for a wank either I can do that to myself for free LOL, @shakira I believe you have made your point there's no need for you to continue emphasizing, good for you that you think you are hot guys pay you to massage and wank them and you are making a killing, don't brag too much baby girl trust me it doesn't end well, cheers

On 2021-05-11 23:19:19 Lesley said:
Shakira, I understand your frustration.
I must be honest and I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, they will never stop asking, ever.

No matter what your ad states or whether you're listed under massage or girls, they will always take their chances. Not all of them, but many.

17 years I have been in this industry and this is unfortunately one of the cons that you need to work around.

(This is not only for fh, but any boundary)

When you have a person who asks once, tell him no and don't take offense.
When this person pushes the boundaries, you immediately ask him to leave, no second chances ever. Don't take any disrespect.

I have a block list longer than I can actually care to count, boundary pushers, chancers, foul mouthed, arrogant or rude, can't take no for an answer etc.

I have this list not because I think I can walk on water, but to protect my mental health, keep my self respect and to have a safe work environment.

You have to learn to say no with conviction.
There is no nice way to say no, you are not dealing with children.

I cannot emphasize enough to state your boundaries clear on the phone, when the person oversteps refer to the information given and stop the session when the person doesn't listen.

Over time, if you intend to do this for a while, you will be less offended and more self assured that when you say no, you don't need to convince anyone, you mean it.

Whilst on the topic, @Lesley, whatever came of that quickie you were doing market research on, if I do remember correctly you did say you would be doing 30 min bookings right?

I reckon I am going to get roasted but here goes anyway.

1. No means no. 100% cannot refute this.

2. You will get chance takers, these will take a chance either before the session begins or during the session.

3. How you deal with these types of people at the time will determine how far they can try to still push you.

4. Take advice from comments on this thread as to how to deal with this situation and make that your MO going forward.

Now, my experience in over 25 years of punting.

When I book a MG I expect a decent massage. However, I can count on one hand the number of times the massage didn't include a pelvic or a top less hand relief after the massage.
I can split the difference down the middle to where just a hand relief was offered and then those that upped the costs one extra at a time to increase the costs to well over a standard FH cost.

Because of this, if I did book you I would ask the question before hand of extras offered and only bring the agreed upon fee into the room to make sure I wasn't able to accept or request extras even if I wanted them.

So, yes, I would still ask the question despite what your advert stated but you now know why I would do so.

On 2021-05-12 14:44:32 Gwede1980 said:
I wonder if this is the attitude I will get from ladies when visiting Cape Town and decide to punt there, and I wonder if @shakira's service is as good as she claims I've picked up a lot of red flags from her responses and comments, unfortunately I'm not a massage guy and wouldn't pay someone for a wank either I can do that to myself for free LOL, @shakira I believe you have made your point there's no need for you to continue emphasizing, good for you that you think you are hot guys pay you to massage and wank them and you are making a killing, don't brag too much baby girl trust me it doesn't end well, cheers

Yeah lol, cant beleive there are people out there who pay for a wank, hahaha!

I once booked a massage girl and before she even started i told her I was not going to cum from a hj, but she was quite certain she would be able to make me cum in 5 minutes so I let her do her thing. 30 minutes later she was jacking me off and I was no closer to coming. She then conceded and gave me full access.