On 2026-03-09 11:44:45 Caton said:
On 2026-03-09 06:37:23 Arhwen said: On 2026-03-09 04:49:37 MichaelKnight said: On 2026-03-08 23:32:55 Caton said: And venues charging between 5 and 10% extra to use the card machine. Very few people carry cash these days. You have a card machine and you're penalising your customers who are paying you. Yes there's a small transaction fee, but it's a small price to pay for receiving money from customers.

According to the law this is illegal. But then again we're participating in an illegal activity. Lol

I don't that he realizes that swiping your card has charges why should the lady carry the bank charges if the client doesn't do casheft or payshap? And before you all say but eft and payshap also have charges however you need to remember that they are minimal in comparison to payshap and eft cleared immediately is also keep in mind different institutions different rates.

I swear sometimes guys only think as far as their dicks and no further...

If you read my post you will see I mention that there are transaction fees. It's the cost of doing business and as pointed out it's illegal to pass that onto the customer. I'm also not advocating for penalising ladies. Venues should be absorbing these relatively small costs, not the ladies nor the clients, because it's the venue that is liable to the bank for the charges. Full stop. Why is this even a debate.

Why is this even a debate you asked. How can you post this on a public platform with so many people each with their own mindset, opinions and perceptions. So if you not open to being debated then you are posting on the wrong platform.

Now let's take it a step further for guys like you that think you know all their is to know about our business and how it runs when in reality you are just either a spectators or a participator that has no idea if our industry except for your experience with whoever you visit.

Your statement sort of contradicts it self and not in the same token.

See your statement is only accurate if you swiping your card at a venue and trust you me even then some venues charge both the ladies and the client a surcharge.

Now if you say that you don't think the ladies should be penalized and the venue must pay let me ask you who must be penalized if the lady is independent In other words then she should pay so you can conviently pay buy card because it's her facility right? Right! I agree... but then she has every right to slap on the additional charges because it's a service that not all service providers offer making it more convenient for you so you don't have to drive around looking for a ATM.

Further more if she's not registered with cipc she would much rather keep her bank deposits to a minimal so she doesn't have to pay site tax.

For every complaints there is a counter argument to your complaint.

So unless you can say you honestly know how to walk a mile in my cum fuck me shoes with great ease you can debate this industry with me till the cow's come home as I have probably been around much longer than you and unlike you I have learnt to put myself in both the punter and the service providers shoes keeping in mind I am aware that there are many different types of people out there.

Ps note I just told you the various kinds of punters there are in my one post. If I struck a nerve there must be a reason

On 2026-03-09 17:15:10 Arhwen said:
On 2026-03-09 11:44:45 Caton said: On 2026-03-09 06:37:23 Arhwen said: On 2026-03-09 04:49:37 MichaelKnight said: On 2026-03-08 23:32:55 Caton said: And venues charging between 5 and 10% extra to use the card machine. Very few people carry cash these days. You have a card machine and you're penalising your customers who are paying you. Yes there's a small transaction fee, but it's a small price to pay for receiving money from customers.

According to the law this is illegal. But then again we're participating in an illegal activity. Lol

I don't that he realizes that swiping your card has charges why should the lady carry the bank charges if the client doesn't do casheft or payshap? And before you all say but eft and payshap also have charges however you need to remember that they are minimal in comparison to payshap and eft cleared immediately is also keep in mind different institutions different rates.

I swear sometimes guys only think as far as their dicks and no further...

If you read my post you will see I mention that there are transaction fees. It's the cost of doing business and as pointed out it's illegal to pass that onto the customer. I'm also not advocating for penalising ladies. Venues should be absorbing these relatively small costs, not the ladies nor the clients, because it's the venue that is liable to the bank for the charges. Full stop. Why is this even a debate.

Why is this even a debate you asked. How can you post this on a public platform with so many people each with their own mindset, opinions and perceptions. So if you not open to being debated then you are posting on the wrong platform.

Now let's take it a step further for guys like you that think you know all their is to know about our business and how it runs when in reality you are just either a spectators or a participator that has no idea if our industry except for your experience with whoever you visit.

Your statement sort of contradicts it self and not in the same token.

See your statement is only accurate if you swiping your card at a venue and trust you me even then some venues charge both the ladies and the client a surcharge.

Now if you say that you don't think the ladies should be penalized and the venue must pay let me ask you who must be penalized if the lady is independent In other words then she should pay so you can conviently pay buy card because it's her facility right? Right! I agree... but then she has every right to slap on the additional charges because it's a service that not all service providers offer making it more convenient for you so you don't have to drive around looking for a ATM.

Further more if she's not registered with cipc she would much rather keep her bank deposits to a minimal so she doesn't have to pay site tax.

For every complaints there is a counter argument to your complaint.

So unless you can say you honestly know how to walk a mile in my cum fuck me shoes with great ease you can debate this industry with me till the cow's come home as I have probably been around much longer than you and unlike you I have learnt to put myself in both the punter and the service providers shoes keeping in mind I am aware that there are many different types of people out there.

Discussions like this tend to become heated because people are speaking from different vantage points. Clients see the experience from the consumer side, while service providers and venue workers see the operational side. Naturally the priorities look different depending on which pair of shoes you're standing in.

From a purely practical perspective, card machines do come with transaction costs --- that's simply how banking infrastructure works. In many traditional industries those costs are absorbed by the business, but independent providers and smaller venues sometimes structure things differently because they're not operating under the same formal frameworks.

So in a sense, both points raised in this thread have some validity depending on the context: venue, independence, banking structure, and personal preference.

Perhaps the more useful approach is simply recognising that different setups will handle payments differently, and each person can decide what arrangements they are comfortable with.

Debate is healthy when it stays about the ideas rather than the individuals.

On 2026-03-09 17:20:11 Madame Vespera said:
On 2026-03-09 17:15:10 Arhwen said: On 2026-03-09 11:44:45 Caton said: On 2026-03-09 06:37:23 Arhwen said: On 2026-03-09 04:49:37 MichaelKnight said: On 2026-03-08 23:32:55 Caton said: And venues charging between 5 and 10% extra to use the card machine. Very few people carry cash these days. You have a card machine and you're penalising your customers who are paying you. Yes there's a small transaction fee, but it's a small price to pay for receiving money from customers.

According to the law this is illegal. But then again we're participating in an illegal activity. Lol

I don't that he realizes that swiping your card has charges why should the lady carry the bank charges if the client doesn't do casheft or payshap? And before you all say but eft and payshap also have charges however you need to remember that they are minimal in comparison to payshap and eft cleared immediately is also keep in mind different institutions different rates.

I swear sometimes guys only think as far as their dicks and no further...

If you read my post you will see I mention that there are transaction fees. It's the cost of doing business and as pointed out it's illegal to pass that onto the customer. I'm also not advocating for penalising ladies. Venues should be absorbing these relatively small costs, not the ladies nor the clients, because it's the venue that is liable to the bank for the charges. Full stop. Why is this even a debate.

Why is this even a debate you asked. How can you post this on a public platform with so many people each with their own mindset, opinions and perceptions. So if you not open to being debated then you are posting on the wrong platform.

Now let's take it a step further for guys like you that think you know all their is to know about our business and how it runs when in reality you are just either a spectators or a participator that has no idea if our industry except for your experience with whoever you visit.

Your statement sort of contradicts it self and not in the same token.

See your statement is only accurate if you swiping your card at a venue and trust you me even then some venues charge both the ladies and the client a surcharge.

Now if you say that you don't think the ladies should be penalized and the venue must pay let me ask you who must be penalized if the lady is independent In other words then she should pay so you can conviently pay buy card because it's her facility right? Right! I agree... but then she has every right to slap on the additional charges because it's a service that not all service providers offer making it more convenient for you so you don't have to drive around looking for a ATM.

Further more if she's not registered with cipc she would much rather keep her bank deposits to a minimal so she doesn't have to pay site tax.

For every complaints there is a counter argument to your complaint.

So unless you can say you honestly know how to walk a mile in my cum fuck me shoes with great ease you can debate this industry with me till the cow's come home as I have probably been around much longer than you and unlike you I have learnt to put myself in both the punter and the service providers shoes keeping in mind I am aware that there are many different types of people out there.

Discussions like this tend to become heated because people are speaking from different vantage points. Clients see the experience from the consumer side, while service providers and venue workers see the operational side. Naturally the priorities look different depending on which pair of shoes you're standing in.

From a purely practical perspective, card machines do come with transaction costs --- that's simply how banking infrastructure works. In many traditional industries those costs are absorbed by the business, but independent providers and smaller venues sometimes structure things differently because they're not operating under the same formal frameworks.

So in a sense, both points raised in this thread have some validity depending on the context: venue, independence, banking structure, and personal preference.

Perhaps the more useful approach is simply recognising that different setups will handle payments differently, and each person can decide what arrangements they are comfortable with.

Debate is healthy when it stays about the ideas rather than the individuals.

What a breath of fresh air you are, you're clearly looking at the bigger picture.

If people can try to understand that we are all different and all experience life differently then we can all agree to disagree.

That we all see and experience or even under things live situations differently sadly here everything seems to be a matter of one size fits all even when someone people enquire like how much a hour lol how much a hour of what? Some of us have menue's with different treatment packages.

Vespera ... "eve" ... Arhwen, maybe we on the eve of change. Anyway, hope the bullies don't break her beauty, and we keep hearing from this beautiful mind. Must say I enjoyed my evenings browse, thanks to her, you and others who engage from a healthy space.

On 2026-03-09 22:15:11 J_J said:
Vespera ... "eve" ... Arhwen, maybe we on the eve of change. Anyway, hope the bullies don't break her beauty, and we keep hearing from this beautiful mind. Must say I enjoyed my evenings browse, thanks to her, you and others who engage from a healthy space.

Thank you for your kind words you beautiful soul...I hope so too as I would most certainly would love to read more of her...

@Arhwen, I want to genuinely understand the following, if you can please answer the questions below:

1. When I wrote: "Yes there's a small transaction fee" what in my sentence gave you the impression that I don't understand there are charges for you to write: "I don't that he realizes that swiping your card has charges"?

2. When I wrote: "And venues charging between 5 and 10% extra to use the card machine" my comment is clearly ONLY in relation to venues (hint, I used the word "venues") so what is the purpose of you responding "your statement is only accurate if you swiping your card at a venue"?

A lot of bickering on the forum can be avoided if we just read. But your response to this will no doubt be defensive and argumentative instead of acknowledging that you may have misunderstood what I wrote.

On 2026-03-10 05:40:22 Caton said:
@Arhwen, I want to genuinely understand the following, if you can please answer the questions below:

1. When I wrote: "Yes there's a small transaction fee" what in my sentence gave you the impression that I don't understand there are charges for you to write: "I don't that he realizes that swiping your card has charges"?

2. When I wrote: "And venues charging between 5 and 10% extra to use the card machine" my comment is clearly ONLY in relation to venues (hint, I used the word "venues") so what is the purpose of you responding "your statement is only accurate if you swiping your card at a venue"?

A lot of bickering on the forum can be avoided if we just read. But your response to this will no doubt be defensive and argumentative instead of acknowledging that you may have misunderstood what I wrote.

Dearest sir I thi k you are missing this one very important point of any public platform.

One can't control the way others people recieves ones energy or even understands what I am saying... Because everything one does or says will gets filtered through the lens of whatever they are going through at the moment or their personal life experiences.

Ps you need to remember that I was pointing out the obvious that you can't speak on behalf of a a venue or lady as you have no clue as to the costs it take to run this industry be it a venue owner or a independent lady.

And you can't contradict your self by saying you don't expect the ladies to pay the fees but rather the venue so then who must pay for the convince of being a card machine to the punter when 98% of the ladies take cash. This applies to both venues and private ladies.

Yes pick n pay and chechers don't charge extra for bank charges but you pay vat...

You book on booking.com and Airbnb I can prove to you if you've never booked holiday apartment before that they always charge a bit more than the actual accomodation.

What's the difference the one is a necessity and the other a luxury the same applies to this industry and until you have been a lady or a venue owner I'm sorry this is something you can only comment on without knowing the ins and outs of our industry and costs to run this industry.

As guys you guys want the lady to be dressed up hair makeup nails done no of these are free we pay for them some even go as far as to requesting boots stockings fishnet lol I'm clearly a traveler some even expect me to bring toys and bdsm equipment heels etc which I don a plinth and my bags not realizing when you pay for flights it includes a new onboard bag and one checked baggage so then I need to travel with a work suitcase a suitcase for personal belongings and a plinth and I am the one that carries the cost no the demanding client or the client that's crying about rates. I haven't even mentioned condoms toiletries wipes etc that are all required for the session.

Bottom line of the point I am making guys shouldn't be crying about paying a small fee for the card machine Since it's not the only expense a lady or venue has to pay.

At the end of the day you say you don't think the lady should pay for the additional charges when the sad reality is that she does both as independent or a venue lady as most venues also charge the lady forward payments not only the client.

See these are all things you guys will never take into consideration when paying for your bookings or before you thi k of haggling fees which seems to be a common thing on ESA and it's not only the Indians who do this even though it more common with them but I have had white guys and coloured guys also do this.

And before the JPs and the need4passions come out and say they don't care about our running cost because this has happened in the past which shows the disrespect and inconsideration for sps. If that is the attitude service providers should the adapt the same attitude but if we do gosh they come crying on the forum or tarnish a girl's profile or name because they don't get what they want...

Ps Caton this not and attack on you but rather an eye opener provided you can see things from my perspective because I understand you 100% however I just wanted to make a point about people thinking they can dictate our rates and additional charges because they can't afford it when there are clearly woman who do charge lesser rates then instead of crying and whining about it which they have been doing for more than a decade and it's always the same culprits over and over again even if their profiles are new lol.

Moral of the story if you can afford to pay the additional card fee pay it much like if you want a certain service pay for it without crying or just book a lady in your price bracket than try to haggle someone that is not in your bract or save... Simple.

Why did I single out your post because it was the one post I could use to bring across my point without having to quote your age old face forum trolls and self entitled kids running around here. No hard feelings from my side and then if there are from your side is be happy to assist ;) I do know how to make it all better.

On 2026-03-10 05:40:22 Caton said:
@Arhwen, I want to genuinely understand the following, if you can please answer the questions below:

1. When I wrote: "Yes there's a small transaction fee" what in my sentence gave you the impression that I don't understand there are charges for you to write: "I don't that he realizes that swiping your card has charges"?

2. When I wrote: "And venues charging between 5 and 10% extra to use the card machine" my comment is clearly ONLY in relation to venues (hint, I used the word "venues") so what is the purpose of you responding "your statement is only accurate if you swiping your card at a venue"?

A lot of bickering on the forum can be avoided if we just read. But your response to this will no doubt be defensive and argumentative instead of acknowledging that you may have misunderstood what I wrote.

Ironically, that sentence is probably the most accurate one in this entire thread.

The reality is that discussions like this often become circular because people are speaking from different reference points. A client tends to view a transaction through the lens of consumer law and conventional business structures. Service providers, however, operate in a far more fragmented environment where venue policies, independence, banking arrangements and risk management all vary significantly.

So while the principle you mentioned about businesses absorbing transaction fees is technically correct in many formal industries, the application becomes far less straightforward in informal or independent structures where the individual provider is effectively the business, the infrastructure and the risk bearer all at once.

In other words, the theoretical model and the practical model do not always overlap.

Which is probably why threads like this continue to resurface every few months , not because people are incapable of reading, but because they are often describing two different operational realities.

Debate itself isn't the problem. Misunderstanding where the other person is standing tends to be.

On 2026-03-10 09:21:51 Madame Vespera said:
On 2026-03-10 05:40:22 Caton said: @Arhwen, I want to genuinely understand the following, if you can please answer the questions below:

1. When I wrote: "Yes there's a small transaction fee" what in my sentence gave you the impression that I don't understand there are charges for you to write: "I don't that he realizes that swiping your card has charges"?

2. When I wrote: "And venues charging between 5 and 10% extra to use the card machine" my comment is clearly ONLY in relation to venues (hint, I used the word "venues") so what is the purpose of you responding "your statement is only accurate if you swiping your card at a venue"?

A lot of bickering on the forum can be avoided if we just read. But your response to this will no doubt be defensive and argumentative instead of acknowledging that you may have misunderstood what I wrote.

Ironically, that sentence is probably the most accurate one in this entire thread.

The reality is that discussions like this often become circular because people are speaking from different reference points. A client tends to view a transaction through the lens of consumer law and conventional business structures. Service providers, however, operate in a far more fragmented environment where venue policies, independence, banking arrangements and risk management all vary significantly.

So while the principle you mentioned about businesses absorbing transaction fees is technically correct in many formal industries, the application becomes far less straightforward in informal or independent structures where the individual provider is effectively the business, the infrastructure and the risk bearer all at once.

In other words, the theoretical model and the practical model do not always overlap.

Which is probably why threads like this continue to resurface every few months , not because people are incapable of reading, but because they are often describing two different operational realities.

Debate itself isn't the problem. Misunderstanding where the other person is standing tends to be.

Beautifully put... This lady gets it.

WGs charge the equivalent or more than a mechanic or electrician. Why would you tip like a waiter?