Oral Jim ,

Aside from the obvious that you just pointed out regarding Veronica and her booking and the net positive for advertising , what is your point exactly?
I am the least disingenuous person there is.

Veronica was demeaning ESA .

Let's be clear...' Veronica Franco ' that you DO NOT need to advertise with us , further you don't need to use our platform to tell us how unfavorable we are .

Erin

Very you better get on ur knees and show Erin a good time

Nowhere on this thread was it mentioned that ESA was unfavourable.

A venue sends unsolicited text messages and it's now the punters' fault for not having a punting phone ?

On 2016-11-25 12:45:03 ESA Forum Admin said:
Oral Jim ,

Aside from the obvious that you just pointed out regarding Veronica and her booking and the net positive for advertising , what is your point exactly?
I am the least disingenuous person there is.

Veronica was demeaning ESA .

Let's be clear...' Veronica Franco ' that you DO NOT need to advertise with us , further you don't need to use our platform to tell us how unfavorable we are .

Erin

Great response

This forum is becoming so fkn disingenuous...

I really like V, however it's clear to see that her heads so far up this venues ass that she isn't seeing clearly and speaking utter rubbish here.

See thread:

client.esa.co.za/forum/thread.php


Veronica Franco
Apologies to ESA
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Joined: 9 Apr 2014
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View Profile Send Message [Quote] [Report this post] Posted: 2016-11-25 15:21:47
On 2016-11-25 06:57:07 ESA Forum Admin said:
"Punters on esa forget that esa is not the only site to advertise on and not all punters read this forum. Perhaps their lack of interest is due to them having better things to do then run around handing out pacifiers, like getting bookings in from other sites for their girls and catering to their expanding regular list of clients. I was on another site after I was banned from esa, and my business only increased, so what you guys say on here reaches but a drop of potential business. It's only those few that only advertise on esa that risk having their entire livelihoods messed up by a handful of punters!"

Veronica Franco, I would like to call you out on the statement you made above. You are disingenuous and dishonest, if what you say is true that you got more business from other web sites why are you back on ESA?

I was not around when you got banned, I don't know what you got banned for nor do I care. 50 000 plus people read this forum daily, I know this because I have access to real data, not thumb suck information like you are writing here. You should be careful about insulting the very web site that feeds you.

Kind regards,
Erin
ESA SUPPORT ADMIN



Okay, To answer your first question, I was banned for years, yet I lived in a 5 bedroom mansion in Houghton during the coarse of those years and my lifestyle was second to none. After being banned, I thought my business would crumble, having only ever had one ad on esa and one here and there on those various sites, which brought in money, but not as much as esa. Esa worked/works best when youre online grabbing attention. I tried to have an ad and passively sit on the sidelines same as so many others not active on the forum, but it doesnt bring in the same amount of business as being active, hence, I'm yet again using the features, which does work wonderfully, so I cannot bash esa on any merit concerning income. I just need to take initiative and learn how to be a good girl.

I had to invest more money into advertising back then and given that your'e active on esa or a supermodel with 5 star ratings, the cost is very reasonable, but it was not the end of me when I was banned as so many on esa thought. Granted, I spent more money on advertising, but it was possible to survive beyond esa. I even get old esa clients that thought I disappeared all those years ago still welcoming me back because esa was all they knew, but so many of the clients, who didn't bargain or complain about my fees never even knew what esa was and were shocked when they discovered theres a rating system and forum to discuss this as a lifestyle for some.

Perhaps my wording was wrong in what I tried to get across and perhaps I'm still not conveying myself right. I was not knocking esa, that was the last thing I intended. Certain comments got under my skin due to superiority complexes thinking that if they destroy someones business on a forum, that they have taken the place down and they take the liberty of knocking what the place charges and expect some grand ass kissing gesture of apology from the owners. They think they have this immense power and say in the industry, but fail to realize, this forum is but a drop in the advertising pool and many are not interested in posting or reading it and many do not even know about it, regardless of the stats you present.

Kickass reckoned if I came back in 2014, that I would do well again. I left a lot in others hands, but I didn't really give a rats ass back then and agreed. I am happy to be back, although I struggled for all these years because I honestly didn't want to be an attention whore again. I was tired and depressed. The guys on here rarely realize what it takes to withstand their bashing, insults and their perception that they have this great power over us. That is one reason why I am so verbal. I do not have a huge ego as others might perceive and I hate the pedestal some put me on, it's a curse to be honest, so that thread or this one is not aimed at stroking my non existent ego. You would be shocked to learn how little I have actually thought of myself for years, but No one has power over me, including the few big egos here. It has nothing to do with esa and I apologize for making you feel that I insulted esa, but as adults, we should know and recognize that there is competition out there, that maybe doesn't even come close to competing with esa in terms of the features etc that you offer, but the clients on here do not have the power or means to take someone down for making a mistake or not falling to their knees and begging for forgiveness.

Again, I apologize. I was wrong in bringing the integrity of the site into a school yard fight. I was not thinking clearly in terms of posting. A poster had to tell me before I was even aware that I had insulted esa. I have witnessed the site grow from strength to strength and I recognize the undeniable success of it and the effort put in on a daily basis.

My apologies to Erin, Eddie and everyone else that makes this site a success.

Regards, V.


Veronica Franco
Re: Apologies to ESA
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View Profile Send Message [Quote] [Report this post] Posted: 2016-11-25 15:32:04
And a big thanks to Erin for giving me a chance to explain and not banning my cheeky ass immediately!


[QUOTE;589085;foki] I really like V, however it's clear to see that her heads so far up this venues ass that she isn't seeing clearly and speaking utter rubbish here. [/QUOTE]

I was asked by 32a to not make personal comments (between Miss B and myself) on 'their thread' though, still no info on ignoring me as I respected them enough to not come to work with an abscess that made my face look like a chipmunk and came clean after the day of an intervention between one of the venue owners and a perceived friend that dropped me in more shit following this intervention. But I will not take back any perceived ass creeping either as they initiated my narcotic recovery and their venue is second to none in Jhb and I have seen the potential for earnings there, although it takes a lot of begging and pleading to be paid out on bookings, which is one of those teething problems I mentioned. So excuse me for pointing out the good in a sea of negative. And I thought i'm the negative asshole that has nothing good to say.

But, if they want to stop me from commenting on this thread, on which I've taken a public lashing and almost got banned, then they should understand that as with all of us that advertise and have to endure and put up with public scrutiny once we become advertisers, they are not exempt from any of it. We cannot comment on another website or venue/girl that no longer advertises with esa and I was witness to the influx of business they received for one or two particular ladies that were reviewed or commented on so taking their ad down will hurt them I suppose, but ignoring clients issues with a venue is not good business practice either, but who am I to say how anyone's business should be run and maintained.

I respected them enough to withdraw after the request and started various threads to further discuss my lashings and apologized to esa for my indiscretion, but I'm sure they, 32a have realized by now that gagging posters is not possible and have a lot to learn with regards to public scrutiny, yet after their request, I was given no reason as to why I was being ignored, which started long before I even posted anything on this forum about them.

The silence does not speak a million words and even after the 'intervention', you do not give someone hope and reassurance and then take it away by ignoring them. That in itself became a reason for me to relapse, which I did not. I am better then that and their pretentious sense of caring. 4 girls I have been in contact with, who read and post have mentioned not working with you because of what has been said on the forum about 32a and it will reflect poorly on business they (The girls) have worked hard to gain. Many others have said they've only heard of the negativity from various clients and girls. Word travels fast in a small world such as ours and I unfortunately took it upon myself to defend you to my own detriment. I will never make that mistake again.

Good luck 32A. Obscurity has it's rewards i'm sure, but reading that one of your busiest girls on this site left (refer to earlier in this thread) I'm left with tongue in cheek and doing a walk of shame for my defense of you.

Thank you for The intervention though and, despite this thread, I do hope you come right.

I'm Veronica Franco, and Iv'e regained my nine lives and will land on my feet again! I have redirected my regular clients to Other venues and girls for now until am able to see them closer to Sandton. It won't take me long based purely on my service and my reputation. Thereafter, who knows...my next departure will perhaps be permanent. We always come back after all!

C'est la V.

On 2016-11-25 13:40:52 Claudia Gentlemens Delight said:

Nowhere on this thread was it mentioned that ESA was unfavourable.

Dear Claudia Gentlemens Delight

Yes Veronica Franco did not use the word, "unfavourable" but she did say many things out-rightly negating ESA. I agree with Erins, response, if for any reason any one feels that they are not getting their monies worth advertising with us that they should consider not advertising with us at all. This should be a business decision concluded without emotion as ESA either works or doesn't.

There is an ill wind blowing, many ladies negate us, publicly, in emails, the ladies secret whats app group and on the phone. When challenged and ask to leave ESA they all wish to stay.

All I can conclude is that ESA does work and in fact it works very, very well. If ladies are unhappy for whatever reason feel free to engage us and we shall endeavor to do all possible to assist favorably.

Kind regards
Eddie
ESA SUPPORT

Hi Eddie

I think the fact that you know there are bad things said about you means that you do recognise there is a problem. Your diagnosis of the problem however appears to suggest that you believe that it's advertisers that have a problem because ESA works as an advertising platform. From a neutral's perspective however I think that those are separate issues.

It seems to me that you are the best platform however your PR is possibly not on point e.g. the decision to ban certain languages but not others created an impression (rightly or wrongly) of bias. It is my view that this is a serious risk to your business that you may need to address just in case another platform starts chipping away at your market share.