On 2026-03-09 22:10:47 NaughtyWendz said:
I don't know why you guys complain. This is how thi girls make their living and it is her prerogative to charge what she wants.

It is all about rules of engagement. When you make contact, explain what you want. Don't assume.

And girls, if you do charge for any extras, the initial contact is the place to discuss this!

I agree with this.
The thing with most punters are they to into the girls business. They know how much they pay for ads, for accomadation etc. They know or think they know how many clients the girls sees per day. By calculating the hours in the day. Wow
One client mentioned if they do a double they share the cost of a room. So the price can go down. How would u even know that. Or even think its true. Some places take from the girls for every client they see. Doesnt matter if they do a double or not. Then there are girls who pay per day. Private working apartments, houses, hotels, guesthouses. They stil pay the same price for the room each. Have u ever rented a hotel room where u pay for one person and the rest of ur family stays for free?
Then here is a shocker. Some girls can go without seeing any client for days. Then when they do work they have to pay all the oustanding daily rents back. The ebony girls rates are way below 1k an hour. Do u guys want them to include all the extras aswell.

Wat is all the extras anyway?

Not all the girls offer the same extras. Are we allowed to also give a set rate. Lets say 1k an hour 700 for 30 min. How many of u are gonna pay that. Some of the big mouth punters here even negotiate down to 500 for an hour with unlimited rounds. Reason cause he stil has to pay his UBER. We didnt say come with an uber. He couldve walked. He wil even ask is rimming bareblow and cim included. EVEN RAW, WTF!!

Guys where are you gonna draw the line with all ur demands.

With wat Melina said.

Thankyou to all the punters who dont negotiate. Who pays our budget rates. Who even brings us gifts. You guys are the best. U guys rock.

A pity they wont see this cause most are not active on this forum.

There are over 18k basic and goldmembers on esa. Only about a 100 if even so many is active on the forum. Not even mentioning the non members.

All we are asking is this. Stay out of the girls behind the scenes business. We dont come to ur shop and tell u how u must run ur business. You dont know shit what we go through everyday. The abuse, the swearing, the judging, the timewasters the no sleep cause guys read 24/7 so he thinks he can call at 3am just wanting to chat.

We thank you.

CT&B has left the building

On 2026-03-09 18:56:58 Pumpkineater said:
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We all know the black girls rates are much lower than most white girls rates. So must they aso include everything in there rates. Since u want all the punters to stand together. Last year there was a big discussion about rates and most were saying 700 is a good rate. Now its a discussion about extras. It must all be included. The girls just cant win.

You just said it. R700 is a fair rate. Then charge extras on top and it's no longer a fair rate. It's kinda like just lying that it's a fair rate to deceive customers before hitting them with a higher rate to get the basics. If you follow the thread, you'll see everyone is kinda in agreement they Greek is probably am extra but charging extra for kissing, OWO etc is just charging a higher rate to get basic entry level minimum service levels.

As for the black girl tax, unfortunately due to supply it is a thing and there's tons of girls offering all in for R500-600ph, take Midrand,Randburg, Bramley as good examples. So anyone charging over that especially by means of extras is obviously just pushing punters to the completions.

As far as Jessica's pricing as well. Let's be honest, she almost always offers the hour at R1000, just search her past posts on the advertiser forum although I'm sure you've seen it. It always includes minimum 2 rounds and everything under the sun in between in that price, kissing, OWO, CIM, swallow, COF, deep throat, sloppy, titty fuck, PSE, GFE, spanking, choking, massage AND ANAL. She's a white girl but that black girl tax sounds like a farce then if it's R700+ with basic extras and you still won't get all that for a grand.

Some girls are winning by just offering a good experience at a good rate. Some girls just want to lose (customers) by charge extra extra.

JP69

On 2026-03-09 18:51:40 Pumpkineater said:
On 2026-03-09 16:39:11 Jessica Foxxx said: On 2026-03-08 21:13:32 Pumpkineater said: On 2026-03-08 09:46:37 Jessica Foxxx said: In my sessions I have 1 flat rate...
U can add or remove any of my listed items to customise your session!!



Hi there, Kindly take 5minutes to read through this as here you will find all the information and answers to the questions u might have....

Firstly thank you for your interest in my profile.
I uphold a high standard and maintain a highly recommended Jessica Foxxx experience.....
Please read my reviews ..

I work from a private house in Momberg street Villieria, very private and discreet.
Its clean and safe..
Undercover parking behind a closed gate where your vehicle wont be visible from the road.

The room is furnished with a double bed and a massage bed and a full En suite bathroom with a huge corner tub and big shower. Toiletries and clean towels provided.

I always have sexy lighting and sexy music playing to set the mood.
I always receive you friendly and dressed in sexy langerie.
U wil find me freshly showered and clean shaven.

I have 3 different sessions available at 1 flat rate ..

1.Relaxing Full body Massage with happy ending:
You choose between a deeptissue/trigger point/erotic massage with a happy ending by hand or bj. (Includes Body slides and your choice of heated or cold oils.

2.GFE -- Girlfriend Experience
This is the "romantic, affectionate, passionate lover" package. It feels like you're spending time with a real girlfriend who's genuinely into you. Typical elements include:
Lots of kissing (DFK -- deep French kissing)
Cuddling, caressing, eye contact, and sweet talk
Mutual touching and foreplay that feels natural, not rushed
Sensual, passionate sex (often multiple positions, slower pace)
Conversation, laughing, and genuine connection
Often includes things like showering together, sharing wine, or falling asleep cuddling
It's warm, intimate, and emotionally engaging -- perfect for clients who want to feel desired and connected.
Also includes a back and neck massage.

3.PSE -- Porn Star Experience
This is the wild, no-holds-barred, adult-film fantasy. It's intense, filthy, and very performative. Typical elements include:
Very aggressive, loud sex
Anal play or anal sex
Dirty talk, slapping, hair-pulling, light choking (within agreed limits)
Multiple pops (coming more than once in the session)
Filming/role-play that mimics porn scenes
Fingering & squirting
Pegging
Edging
Cock worship
Cumshots
Milking
Role-playing
Crossdressing
Sissy training
Domination or submission
High-energy positions, fast pace, very vocal
It's explicit, and designed to feel like you're living out the kind of scene you'd see in professional porn.

60 min R1500

Please note that:
I DO NOT offer Raw/Bareback.

This is a drug free premises, I do not use ANY drugs, I do not smoke or drink and prefer my clients sober.

I also offer my services to woman clients and or couples aswell. I am very Bi.
Couples I do full on lesbian action FFM but MMF also on offer offering DP.
Couples @ special rate @2+hours.

Lets enjoy our time together and see how many times we can cum as I dont have a cum once policy.....
So You can cum multiple times.

Working hours:
Monday to Friday 10:00-18:00
Saturdays 09:00-18:00
Sundays PER APPOINTMENT 1 HR IN ADVANCE

I need 30min notice before a booking please.


All nights and after hour bookings available on prior arrangement in advance....

Payment methods:
1. Cash or EFT immediate payment




This is so wel laid out Jess but ive got a question.

Refering to you PSE. U said the punter can add or remove any of the things he doesnt want or want. Does it affect the price if the price is set at 1500. I also have to ad for what u offering in PSE its very cheap.


Hi there Pumpkineater, no I do NOT charge extra... Its a set fee at R1500ph and u change it up and customise it as u wish..

Xxx


So basicaly the options are there. If the punter wants it or not the rate is stil 1500. Am i right

Yes thats correct.
R1500ph is my rate that includes all of the above...
Punter can customise and lets say he doesn't like anal so he can remove anal and add a strip tease or whatever.... This price is also not limited to only 1 item, its all items so if u want EVERYTHING as listed and maybe want to add something thats not on my list, price still stays R1500ph.

xxx

On 2026-03-10 06:04:34 Jessica Foxxx said:
On 2026-03-09 18:51:40 Pumpkineater said: On 2026-03-09 16:39:11 Jessica Foxxx said: On 2026-03-08 21:13:32 Pumpkineater said: On 2026-03-08 09:46:37 Jessica Foxxx said: In my sessions I have 1 flat rate...
U can add or remove any of my listed items to customise your session!!



Hi there, Kindly take 5minutes to read through this as here you will find all the information and answers to the questions u might have....

Firstly thank you for your interest in my profile.
I uphold a high standard and maintain a highly recommended Jessica Foxxx experience.....
Please read my reviews ..

I work from a private house in Momberg street Villieria, very private and discreet.
Its clean and safe..
Undercover parking behind a closed gate where your vehicle wont be visible from the road.

The room is furnished with a double bed and a massage bed and a full En suite bathroom with a huge corner tub and big shower. Toiletries and clean towels provided.

I always have sexy lighting and sexy music playing to set the mood.
I always receive you friendly and dressed in sexy langerie.
U wil find me freshly showered and clean shaven.

I have 3 different sessions available at 1 flat rate ..

1.Relaxing Full body Massage with happy ending:
You choose between a deeptissue/trigger point/erotic massage with a happy ending by hand or bj. (Includes Body slides and your choice of heated or cold oils.

2.GFE -- Girlfriend Experience
This is the "romantic, affectionate, passionate lover" package. It feels like you're spending time with a real girlfriend who's genuinely into you. Typical elements include:
Lots of kissing (DFK -- deep French kissing)
Cuddling, caressing, eye contact, and sweet talk
Mutual touching and foreplay that feels natural, not rushed
Sensual, passionate sex (often multiple positions, slower pace)
Conversation, laughing, and genuine connection
Often includes things like showering together, sharing wine, or falling asleep cuddling
It's warm, intimate, and emotionally engaging -- perfect for clients who want to feel desired and connected.
Also includes a back and neck massage.

3.PSE -- Porn Star Experience
This is the wild, no-holds-barred, adult-film fantasy. It's intense, filthy, and very performative. Typical elements include:
Very aggressive, loud sex
Anal play or anal sex
Dirty talk, slapping, hair-pulling, light choking (within agreed limits)
Multiple pops (coming more than once in the session)
Filming/role-play that mimics porn scenes
Fingering & squirting
Pegging
Edging
Cock worship
Cumshots
Milking
Role-playing
Crossdressing
Sissy training
Domination or submission
High-energy positions, fast pace, very vocal
It's explicit, and designed to feel like you're living out the kind of scene you'd see in professional porn.

60 min R1500

Please note that:
I DO NOT offer Raw/Bareback.

This is a drug free premises, I do not use ANY drugs, I do not smoke or drink and prefer my clients sober.

I also offer my services to woman clients and or couples aswell. I am very Bi.
Couples I do full on lesbian action FFM but MMF also on offer offering DP.
Couples @ special rate @2+hours.

Lets enjoy our time together and see how many times we can cum as I dont have a cum once policy.....
So You can cum multiple times.

Working hours:
Monday to Friday 10:00-18:00
Saturdays 09:00-18:00
Sundays PER APPOINTMENT 1 HR IN ADVANCE

I need 30min notice before a booking please.


All nights and after hour bookings available on prior arrangement in advance....

Payment methods:
1. Cash or EFT immediate payment




This is so wel laid out Jess but ive got a question.

Refering to you PSE. U said the punter can add or remove any of the things he doesnt want or want. Does it affect the price if the price is set at 1500. I also have to ad for what u offering in PSE its very cheap.


Hi there Pumpkineater, no I do NOT charge extra... Its a set fee at R1500ph and u change it up and customise it as u wish..

Xxx


So basicaly the options are there. If the punter wants it or not the rate is stil 1500. Am i right

Yes thats correct.
R1500ph is my rate that includes all of the above...
Punter can customise and lets say he doesn't like anal so he can remove anal and add a strip tease or whatever.... This price is also not limited to only 1 item, its all items so if u want EVERYTHING as listed and maybe want to add something thats not on my list, price still stays R1500ph.

xxx

Considering everything you offer this is a bargain... I don't even offer all that you offer and I have a long detailed menue. If the guys complain about this then just know it's not you it's them ;)

On 2026-03-10 00:23:30 Cutchies Tushies & Boobies said:
On 2026-03-09 22:10:47 NaughtyWendz said: I don't know why you guys complain. This is how thi girls make their living and it is her prerogative to charge what she wants.

It is all about rules of engagement. When you make contact, explain what you want. Don't assume.

And girls, if you do charge for any extras, the initial contact is the place to discuss this!

I agree with this.
The thing with most punters are they to into the girls business. They know how much they pay for ads, for accomadation etc. They know or think they know how many clients the girls sees per day. By calculating the hours in the day. Wow
One client mentioned if they do a double they share the cost of a room. So the price can go down. How would u even know that. Or even think its true. Some places take from the girls for every client they see. Doesnt matter if they do a double or not. Then there are girls who pay per day. Private working apartments, houses, hotels, guesthouses. They stil pay the same price for the room each. Have u ever rented a hotel room where u pay for one person and the rest of ur family stays for free?
Then here is a shocker. Some girls can go without seeing any client for days. Then when they do work they have to pay all the oustanding daily rents back. The ebony girls rates are way below 1k an hour. Do u guys want them to include all the extras aswell.

Wat is all the extras anyway?

Not all the girls offer the same extras. Are we allowed to also give a set rate. Lets say 1k an hour 700 for 30 min. How many of u are gonna pay that. Some of the big mouth punters here even negotiate down to 500 for an hour with unlimited rounds. Reason cause he stil has to pay his UBER. We didnt say come with an uber. He couldve walked. He wil even ask is rimming bareblow and cim included. EVEN RAW, WTF!!

Guys where are you gonna draw the line with all ur demands.

With wat Melina said.

Thankyou to all the punters who dont negotiate. Who pays our budget rates. Who even brings us gifts. You guys are the best. U guys rock.

A pity they wont see this cause most are not active on this forum.

There are over 18k basic and goldmembers on esa. Only about a 100 if even so many is active on the forum. Not even mentioning the non members.

All we are asking is this. Stay out of the girls behind the scenes business. We dont come to ur shop and tell u how u must run ur business. You dont know shit what we go through everyday. The abuse, the swearing, the judging, the timewasters the no sleep cause guys read 24/7 so he thinks he can call at 3am just wanting to chat.

We thank you.

CT&B has left the building

H babe I love this post but it will just fly over most people's heads because they either won't be able to fathom it or they just won't care as it's been said in the past.

On 2026-03-10 08:01:04 Arhwen said:
On 2026-03-10 06:04:34 Jessica Foxxx said: On 2026-03-09 18:51:40 Pumpkineater said: On 2026-03-09 16:39:11 Jessica Foxxx said: On 2026-03-08 21:13:32 Pumpkineater said: On 2026-03-08 09:46:37 Jessica Foxxx said: In my sessions I have 1 flat rate...
U can add or remove any of my listed items to customise your session!!



Hi there, Kindly take 5minutes to read through this as here you will find all the information and answers to the questions u might have....

Firstly thank you for your interest in my profile.
I uphold a high standard and maintain a highly recommended Jessica Foxxx experience.....
Please read my reviews ..

I work from a private house in Momberg street Villieria, very private and discreet.
Its clean and safe..
Undercover parking behind a closed gate where your vehicle wont be visible from the road.

The room is furnished with a double bed and a massage bed and a full En suite bathroom with a huge corner tub and big shower. Toiletries and clean towels provided.

I always have sexy lighting and sexy music playing to set the mood.
I always receive you friendly and dressed in sexy langerie.
U wil find me freshly showered and clean shaven.

I have 3 different sessions available at 1 flat rate ..

1.Relaxing Full body Massage with happy ending:
You choose between a deeptissue/trigger point/erotic massage with a happy ending by hand or bj. (Includes Body slides and your choice of heated or cold oils.

2.GFE -- Girlfriend Experience
This is the "romantic, affectionate, passionate lover" package. It feels like you're spending time with a real girlfriend who's genuinely into you. Typical elements include:
Lots of kissing (DFK -- deep French kissing)
Cuddling, caressing, eye contact, and sweet talk
Mutual touching and foreplay that feels natural, not rushed
Sensual, passionate sex (often multiple positions, slower pace)
Conversation, laughing, and genuine connection
Often includes things like showering together, sharing wine, or falling asleep cuddling
It's warm, intimate, and emotionally engaging -- perfect for clients who want to feel desired and connected.
Also includes a back and neck massage.

3.PSE -- Porn Star Experience
This is the wild, no-holds-barred, adult-film fantasy. It's intense, filthy, and very performative. Typical elements include:
Very aggressive, loud sex
Anal play or anal sex
Dirty talk, slapping, hair-pulling, light choking (within agreed limits)
Multiple pops (coming more than once in the session)
Filming/role-play that mimics porn scenes
Fingering & squirting
Pegging
Edging
Cock worship
Cumshots
Milking
Role-playing
Crossdressing
Sissy training
Domination or submission
High-energy positions, fast pace, very vocal
It's explicit, and designed to feel like you're living out the kind of scene you'd see in professional porn.

60 min R1500

Please note that:
I DO NOT offer Raw/Bareback.

This is a drug free premises, I do not use ANY drugs, I do not smoke or drink and prefer my clients sober.

I also offer my services to woman clients and or couples aswell. I am very Bi.
Couples I do full on lesbian action FFM but MMF also on offer offering DP.
Couples @ special rate @2+hours.

Lets enjoy our time together and see how many times we can cum as I dont have a cum once policy.....
So You can cum multiple times.

Working hours:
Monday to Friday 10:00-18:00
Saturdays 09:00-18:00
Sundays PER APPOINTMENT 1 HR IN ADVANCE

I need 30min notice before a booking please.


All nights and after hour bookings available on prior arrangement in advance....

Payment methods:
1. Cash or EFT immediate payment




This is so wel laid out Jess but ive got a question.

Refering to you PSE. U said the punter can add or remove any of the things he doesnt want or want. Does it affect the price if the price is set at 1500. I also have to ad for what u offering in PSE its very cheap.


Hi there Pumpkineater, no I do NOT charge extra... Its a set fee at R1500ph and u change it up and customise it as u wish..

Xxx


So basicaly the options are there. If the punter wants it or not the rate is stil 1500. Am i right

Yes thats correct.
R1500ph is my rate that includes all of the above...
Punter can customise and lets say he doesn't like anal so he can remove anal and add a strip tease or whatever.... This price is also not limited to only 1 item, its all items so if u want EVERYTHING as listed and maybe want to add something thats not on my list, price still stays R1500ph.

xxx

Considering everything you offer this is a bargain... I don't even offer all that you offer and I have a long detailed menue. If the guys complain about this then just know it's not you it's them ;)

I think what this thread is unintentionally demonstrating is exactly the point I mentioned earlier about how people misunderstand the structure of this market.

Some clients approach it as if there should be a universal "standard service list" with fixed rules for what must or must not be included in a rate.

But that's not actually how markets built around personal boundaries and negotiated experiences function.

Every provider structures her offering differently. Some prefer a simple flat rate that includes almost everything. Others prefer a lower base rate with optional extras. Both models exist in many industries because they serve different types of clients and different business strategies.

The key point is that neither approach is inherently wrong. It's simply a matter of alignment.

If a client prefers an all-inclusive experience, he can choose someone like Jessica whose structure works that way. If he prefers a different structure, there are plenty of providers who operate differently.

Choice is actually the strength of an open marketplace.

The moment people start trying to impose a single model on everyone, it stops being a market and starts becoming an argument about control.

In practice the simplest solution has always been the same: find someone whose approach matches what you enjoy and support that person.

When expectations align on both sides, nobody feels pressured and everyone has a better experience.

The interesting thing about markets like this is that they eventually regulate themselves. The providers who structure their services well keep loyal clients, and the clients who approach it with respect tend to have the best experiences. Everything else usually sorts itself out over time.

The basics of business needs to be applied, irrespective of the business.


And this IS a business.

The SP IS the business.

She should understand what the financial requirements are, as well as the pitfalls and irregularities that may hinder the smooth running of her business.

Looking at important factors such as competitors, the requirements, just to name two.

BUDGET.

A practical and relevant budget to be set out. Of course adapted with economic changes that may be out of ones control.

Each SP has her own needs and requirments when it comes to finances ....and should charge accordingly ....ofcourse to make money and not just cover her expenses.

When business is on a role, it is easy.

But.

When the challenging times set in...that is where business acumen sets in.
From tightening one's belt, to specails offered to to to...it is about riding those challenges snd staying focused and in "business".

A good business woman will hear what her clients need, apply in a way to ensure she more than just survives and, keeps her pool of earnings strong.

Strength to all ladies because one of the biggest asks from you in this space is PERSONAL, INTIMATE AND can be soul draining .

Have you factored that in your "business" and ensured the returns on such a HUGE personal investment , is worth the effort and time?

Know your business.

Know your needs .

Make sure to stay market relevant and ride the crest of longterm success!

RB.

As much as l enjoy giving Oral bj recently it has been costing me much for check ups and medications...on my side that extra cost it's not even worthy it too much infections going around so covered bj will do for me unless if the punter has proof of his medical history.

On 2026-03-10 09:56:33 Didi said:
As much as l enjoy giving Oral bj recently it has been costing me much for check ups and medications...on my side that extra cost it's not even worthy it too much infections going around so covered bj will do for me unless if the punter has proof of his medical history.

Hey Didi

Yours is a prime example as to adapting to ones costs and requirements and challenges experienced (as i mentioned above) through practical rather that theoretical.

Most punters "theorise" as to what happens in this most intimate , high energy demand and personal investment space.





RB.

And this is why you will get the support of us guys. You know what we want and you are just plain awesome. Nuff said.

On 2026-03-08 09:46:37 Jessica Foxxx said:
In my sessions I have 1 flat rate...
U can add or remove any of my listed items to customise your session!!



Hi there, Kindly take 5minutes to read through this as here you will find all the information and answers to the questions u might have....

Firstly thank you for your interest in my profile.
I uphold a high standard and maintain a highly recommended Jessica Foxxx experience.....
Please read my reviews ..

I work from a private house in Momberg street Villieria, very private and discreet.
Its clean and safe..
Undercover parking behind a closed gate where your vehicle wont be visible from the road.

The room is furnished with a double bed and a massage bed and a full En suite bathroom with a huge corner tub and big shower. Toiletries and clean towels provided.

I always have sexy lighting and sexy music playing to set the mood.
I always receive you friendly and dressed in sexy langerie.
U wil find me freshly showered and clean shaven.

I have 3 different sessions available at 1 flat rate ..

1.Relaxing Full body Massage with happy ending:
You choose between a deeptissue/trigger point/erotic massage with a happy ending by hand or bj. (Includes Body slides and your choice of heated or cold oils.

2.GFE -- Girlfriend Experience
This is the "romantic, affectionate, passionate lover" package. It feels like you're spending time with a real girlfriend who's genuinely into you. Typical elements include:
Lots of kissing (DFK -- deep French kissing)
Cuddling, caressing, eye contact, and sweet talk
Mutual touching and foreplay that feels natural, not rushed
Sensual, passionate sex (often multiple positions, slower pace)
Conversation, laughing, and genuine connection
Often includes things like showering together, sharing wine, or falling asleep cuddling
It's warm, intimate, and emotionally engaging -- perfect for clients who want to feel desired and connected.
Also includes a back and neck massage.

3.PSE -- Porn Star Experience
This is the wild, no-holds-barred, adult-film fantasy. It's intense, filthy, and very performative. Typical elements include:
Very aggressive, loud sex
Anal play or anal sex
Dirty talk, slapping, hair-pulling, light choking (within agreed limits)
Multiple pops (coming more than once in the session)
Filming/role-play that mimics porn scenes
Fingering & squirting
Pegging
Edging
Cock worship
Cumshots
Milking
Role-playing
Crossdressing
Sissy training
Domination or submission
High-energy positions, fast pace, very vocal
It's explicit, and designed to feel like you're living out the kind of scene you'd see in professional porn.

60 min R1500

Please note that:
I DO NOT offer Raw/Bareback.

This is a drug free premises, I do not use ANY drugs, I do not smoke or drink and prefer my clients sober.

I also offer my services to woman clients and or couples aswell. I am very Bi.
Couples I do full on lesbian action FFM but MMF also on offer offering DP.
Couples @ special rate @2+hours.

Lets enjoy our time together and see how many times we can cum as I dont have a cum once policy.....
So You can cum multiple times.

Working hours:
Monday to Friday 10:00-18:00
Saturdays 09:00-18:00
Sundays PER APPOINTMENT 1 HR IN ADVANCE

I need 30min notice before a booking please.


All nights and after hour bookings available on prior arrangement in advance....

Payment methods:
1. Cash or EFT immediate payment